[Corpora-List] Proposal for initiating a global non continentalArabic Language Academy

Tue Nov 17 20:07:22 UTC 2009

Hello Hamed and all,

Here is a voice chat application that we can use, not sure if this is
the best or there is something better. Also we can consider skype
since it is a free option.

http://all2chat.com/arabic/servers/

Yours,
Waleed

On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 9:30 PM, Kais Dukes <sckd at leeds.ac.uk> wrote:
> Hello Hamed,
>
> I can answer this from a technology point of view. In the longer term, I suggest moving this conversation off the "corpora" mailing list and setting up a dedicated e-mail list for this project. However, in the short term, it is quite important to get things moving (and simply!), as a lot of interest has been expressed. Setting up a group to study Arabic, and especially Quranic Arabic sounds like a positive project which would benefit a great many people.
>
> Some things I would suggest:
>
> 1) Keep things simple at the start. A good idea might be a message board where people can start to have discussions. However, this does require people to log in / log out. Ideally a mailing list is required, and also a website. Wordpress might be a good place to start, at least initially.
>
> 2) For more long term, given that from what I understand there will be a computational aspect to this, I would suggest hosting any code on a widely accessible code repository. Both sourceforge or google code seem to be popular choices for this.
>
> 3) From a technical point of view, here is what would be needed long term:
> - a mailing list
> - a website
> - a code repository
> - possibly a message board where anyone can post
>
> With regards to what actual technology is required for a language research website ... I would think that would depend on the skill set of those developing and maintaining it! Many good open source web projects use PHP, which is pretty popular these days as a web platform. However, I think given that this is all very early days, probably what might be a good idea would be as you suggest to hold an initial online meeting off the corpora mailing list where things like this can be discussed further. Another thing to think about is private vs public hosting. If you are putting together a language website, this could either be hosted privately (e.g. a at University) or else publically (such as part of google code or sourceforge). Public hosting is cheap, easy and fast to set up, and they give you a platform / infrastructure for e-mail lists, discussion groups, code hosting etc. However, you do have more control if you are affiliated with a University of example and host this yourself.
>
> Feel free to take the rest of this discussion offline with me, as it does sound its starting to get a bit off topic for the corpora mailing list :-)
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> -- Kais Dukes
> School Of Computing
> University of Leeds
> http://quran.uk.net - The Quranic Arabic Corpus
> ________________________________
> From: Hamed Al-Suhli [hamed at e3rab.com]
> Sent: 17 November 2009 19:00
> To: Kais Dukes
> Cc: corpora at uib.no
> Subject: Re: Proposal for initiating a global non continentalArabic Language Academy
>
> Dear Kais,
>
> I monitored your work with interesting, and you are welcomed.
> As a professional programmer do you have any suggestion for our online platform, the website? open source solution for future development are essential.
> "unfortunately, I'm not a dot net person".
>
> On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 8:37 PM, Kais Dukes <sckd at leeds.ac.uk<mailto:sckd at leeds.ac.uk>> wrote:
> Dear Hamed,
>
>
>
> I am working on the "Quranic Arabic Corpus", a research project at the University of Leeds where we are mapping the morphology, syntax and Arabic grammar of the Quran (http://quran.uk.net). So far we have applied computational tools for Arabic corpora to automatically tag and then manually verify each word for part-of-speech and morphological inflection features. We are also working on a dependency treebank of the Quran using traditional Arabic syntax (i'rab).
>
>
>
> >From what I understand, as part of your proposal you mention the aim of studying Quranic Arabic. As such, I would be more than happy to be part of this proposal, it sounds directly relevant to our current research here.
>
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>
> Do please let me know if I can be of any assistance with this - I would like to be involved.
>
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>
>
> Kais Dukes
>
> School of Computing
>
> University of Leeds
>
> http://quran.uk.net - The Quranic Arabic Corpus
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Hamed Al-Suhli <hamed at e3rab.com<mailto:hamed at e3rab.com><mailto:hamed at e3rab.com<mailto:hamed at e3rab.com>>>
> Date: Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 12:18 AM
> Subject: Re: [Corpora-List] Proposal for initiating a global non continentalArabic Language Academy
> To: Oliver Mason <O.Mason at bham.ac.uk<mailto:O.Mason at bham.ac.uk><mailto:O.Mason at bham.ac.uk<mailto:O.Mason at bham.ac.uk>>>
>
> Dear All,
>
> Thank you for responding, however many issues have been raised and I'll discuss them one by one.
> 1- why Islamic tending?
> As I mentioned and Dr.Nizar declared there are tow directions for standarizing  Arabic nowadays, the modern standard Arabic VS the Quranic standard Arabic.
> Both are not spoken widely and the modern standard Arabic still not yet completed, in spite of some proposals for regional dialects to became an independent languages the standard Arabic is the only written and widely dominated the culture and formal usage.
> non Muslim Arabs writings are the only non Quranic Arabic writing till the end of 19th century, when some Arabic Muslims nationalists start writing without the restrict Arabic linguistic rules, which lead after a century to non restricted Arabic language we called modern Arabic.
> because of Quran the modern Arabic can't eleminate the standard Naho (syntax) or Sarf (etymological system), and it still leak of precise or standards.
> Thou my proposal centralized by the hold on with well standarized Quranic Arabic and completion of its missing modern "computational, etymological and semantic" standarizations.
>
> 2-The proposal definitely not limited or restricted to Muslims.
>
> 3- The fund and the Full outlines of the establishment:
> let's take the thing step by step, we need [1]enough enthusiasm professional founders and [2]temporary online platform [3] arranging an appointment for first meeting [4]proposing outlines and manager(s) for the meeting.
> I can offer the temporary online platform
> and we are discussing the other requirements.
>
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> --
> Hamed Al-Suhli
> http://e3rab.com
>
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