[Corpora-List] "Tajweed" in English dictionaries and corpora

[Patrick Juola]

Well, it's apparent to me that, just as "haemodialysis" is a medical
word, "tyranosaurus" a biological one, and "ontological" a
philosophical one, "tajweed" is an Islamic one.  Almost all words that
have meanings have domains associated with them.

I would consider a dictionary or corpus that made a point of excluding
"ontological" to be a poor one.   I would equally consider the
deliberate exclusion of "tajweed" to be a poor decision.   Now, if
you're simply saying that "tajweed" isn't common enough to fit into a
limited-scope print dictionary that has to confine itself to the top
100,000 or so vocabulary words, that's one thing, but not especially
relevant to corpus linguistics.

If you're suggesting that it's not common enough to appear in English
discourse or corpora at all, ... well, I think that's what Eric is
disagreeing with, and he's suggesting that it's a lot more common than
the BNC suggests (which may be systematic bias on the part of the
BNC).  That's an interesting research topic.

If you're suggesting that "Islamic" is somehow incompatible with
English, then I specifically reject that suggestion.

On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 3:20 PM, Otto Lassen <otto at lassen.mail.dk> wrote:
> Eric Atwell is the radar. He wrote:
> "Can anyone point me at research on vocabulary related to Islam,
> and how it figures in British dictionaries and corpora?"
> ".. though "Tajweed" is a term understood by
>
> most British muslims (2.7 million or 5% of the UK population according
> to UK Census 2011)".. " "Tajweed" is also not found in the 100-million-word
> British
> National Corpus" .
> I used your argument against me against Eric Atwell.
> You write: "I don't know what you mean by ‘Islamic words’". Ask Eric Atwell.
> For him
> "Tajweed" is an islamic word: "refers to the rules governing pronunciation
> during
> recitation of the Qur'an" and "understood by most British muslims" (and
> apparently
> not by the 95% non-muslims).
> What you have not grasped is that the world is bigger than an english
> dictionary.
> There are too many words (and their concepts) in the world from science,
> ideologies,
> religions, philosophy, social groups etc to be registered in an english
> dictionary
> though used by English speaking people.
> What about trying to understand my words and the words af Eric Atwell. They
> are all
> in the dictionary.
> Regards
> Otto Lassen
>
>
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- From: Alon Lischinsky
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:16 PM
> To: Otto Lassen
> Cc: CORPORA discussion forum
> Subject: Re: [Corpora-List] "Tajweed" in English dictionaries and corpora
>
>
> On 2013/2/28 Otto Lassen <otto at lassen.mail.dk> wrote:
>
>> If  "Tajweed" should be in English dictionaries and corpora then there
>> are more islam words which ought to be in English dictionaries and
>> corpora.
>
>
> I wonder how this has managed to flow under the radar.
>
> There is no ‘ought to’ about corpora, Otto. Corpora are systematic
> compilations of natural language, and no-one gets to decide which
> words go into them or not. If a term is used by English speakers when
> communicating in English, then it will get included in a corpus
> covering that genre. If it's not used, then it won't.
>
> Actually, this is precisely what makes corpora useful to
> lexicographers. Dictionaries are intended to provide users with a
> guide as to what they can expect a term to mean; it follows that what
> they include or not should be dictated by what people say, not by any
> intuitions about what counts or not as an English word.
>
>> Does Eric Atwell want all islamic words to included in english?
>
>
> I don't know what you mean by ‘Islamic words’, but all words used in
> English belong in an English dictionary (whether they refer to Islam,
> to Christianity, to astrophysics or to cooking). What's so hard to
> grasp about that?
>
> A.
>
>
> -----
> Ingen virus fundet i denne meddelelse.
> Kontrolleret af AVG - www.avg.com
> Version: 2012.0.2238 / Virusdatabase: 2641/5639 - Udgivelsesdato: 28-02-2013
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> UNSUBSCRIBE from this page: http://mailman.uib.no/options/corpora
> Corpora mailing list
> Corpora at uib.no
> http://mailman.uib.no/listinfo/corpora

_______________________________________________
UNSUBSCRIBE from this page: http://mailman.uib.no/options/corpora
Corpora mailing list
Corpora at uib.no
http://mailman.uib.no/listinfo/corpora