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Subject: Re: Massacres and dates (remove REMOVE)

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>From:	Celso Alvarez =?iso-8859-1?Q?C=E1ccamo?= <lxalvarz at UDC.ES>
>Subject:      Massacres and dates
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>(Cross-posted)
>
>Dear all,
>
>Today's Madrid massacre (11 March 2004 AD) occured on day 20 Muharram 
>1425= =20 H (after Mohammed's hegira) in the Islamic religious 
>calendar. Muharram is= =20
>the sacred month for Islam after Ramadan, and one where fasting is
also=20
>purifying, am I right?  Although the Spanish government still presents
ETA=
>=20
>as the main suspect (why don't they call it "atheist ETA"?), a
violent=20
>"islamic" group (apparently responsible of the recent attacks in
Turkey)=20
>has reivindicated the Madrid attacks in a London Arab-language
newspaper.=20
>Does any one know whether the 20 Muharram date has any special
significance=
>=20
>in the history of Islam, particularly against Christianity?
>
>This made me think about September 11, 2001 AD, which corresponded to 
>23=20 Jumaada al-Thaany 1422 H in the Islamic calendar, and about the 
>state of=20 high alert that the world lived one Christian year later, 
>Sept. 11, 2002=20 AD. Well, naively enough, this is the first time I 
>thought that, if the=20 9/11 massacre was carried out by Islamic 
>fundamentalist suicide killers,=20 they would not follow the Gregorian 
>Christian calendar for any actions=20 "celebrating" the anniversary, 
>but the Hijri calendar. The aniversary would= =20 be about 11 days 
>earlier, on Sept. 1 2002 AD, if I'm not mistaken. That is,= =20
>by the time people where on alert, flights were cancelled, police
were=20
>deployed everywhere, etc., the "anniversary" had already taken
place.=20
>Didn't the US' and other western secret services know this very simple
fact=
>=20
>in order to deactivate the paranoid discourse around the "anniversary"?
Or=
>=20
>am I going too far?
>
>The US-UK-Spain-etc. coalition invaded Iraq during a holy Muslim 
>month.=20 Going back to the Madrid attacks, a Hijri year ago (20 
>Muharram 1424 H) it= =20 was March 23, 2003, Sunday. US troops had 
>already invaded Iraq, and they=20 were 60 miles from Bagdad. Ten milion

>people all around the world were=20 demonstrating against the war. Two 
>years ago (20 Muharram 1423 H) the=20 Foreign Ministers of the 
>Organization of the Islamic Conference (OIC)=20 approved the Kuala 
>Lumpur Declaration on International Terrorism, where=20 they emphasized

>their defense of Palestine's rights. Probably these are=20 just 
>coincidences, as unfortunately anything noticeable in terms of massive=

>=20 violence happens practically every day of the year. But I keep 
>wondering.
>
>Please correct me as much as you can. I know nothing about Islam, 
>but=20 unfortunately a lot about the current Spanish government.
>
>-celso
>Celso Alvarez C=E1ccamo
>lxalvarz at udc.es
>

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