[EDLING:798] Re: looking for article(s)

[Miriam E Ebsworth]

Manka, I've just remembered that Caleb Gattengno of Silent Way fame
produced a videotape that had no teacher modeling at all- just student
language.  I'll follow up on this as it may be relevant to your question.
Best,
Miriam

Miriam Eisenstein Ebsworth, Ph.D.
<MEE1 at nyu.edu>
Director of Doctoral Programs in Multilingual Multicultural Studies
New York University

----- Original Message -----
From: sicola at dolphin.upenn.edu
Date: Wednesday, May 4, 2005 10:57 pm
Subject: [EDLING:797] Re: looking for article(s)

> If I'm not mistaken, the Long & Porter article addresses whether or
> not NNSs
> working together will pick up each other's non-targetlike
> interlanguage forms.
> (Conclusion: no. Support: in favor of group work even if all
> members are NNSs,
> whether the subject is ESL or content areas, for various reasons.)
> A goal is to
> look at the argument for group work vs. teacher-centered
> instruction, a-la major
> debates of the '80s. It does not significantly address what happens
> if a teacher
> uses non-standard forms, though it is a great article in its own
> right.
> Laura
>
> Quoting Masa Suzuki <msuzuki at ordinate.com>:
>
> > Manka,
> >
> > What you might be looking for is the following article:
> > Long, M. and Porter, P., (1985). Group work, interlanguage talk and
> > classroom second language acquisition. TESOL Quarterly, 19, 2,
> pp. 207-
> > 228.
> >
> >
> > Hope this is it.
> > masa
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-edling at ccat.sas.upenn.edu
> > [mailto:owner-edling at ccat.sas.upenn.edu] On Behalf Of M van Naerssen
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 5:34 PM
> > To: edling at ccat.sas.upenn.edu
> > Subject: [EDLING:794] Re: looking for article(s)
> >
> > Manka,
> > Hi--isn't a piece of this who the learner's peers are?  The
> research on
> > influence of peers showed that it is stronger than that of the
> teacher.> I
> > don't have time to look it up, but maybe in Gass and Selinker in
> the
> > affective or socio-cultural sections.
> >
> > Not all of the puzzle but there has to be some exposure, some input,
> > for
> > the learners to begin hypothesizing about.
> >
> > Just a quick thought.
> > Margaret
> > sounds like there have been parental complaints and supervisors/
> > superintendents may be looking for an excuse to get rid of
> someone or at
> >
> > least some way of dealing with parental complaints.
> >
> > ----- Ori
> > ginal Message -----
> > From: "Manka M. Varghese" <mankav at u.washington.edu>
> > To: <edling at ccat.sas.upenn.edu>
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 1:43 PM
> > Subject: [EDLING:793] looking for article(s)
> >
> >
> > > Dear colleagues,
> > >
> > > I am looking for an article or more around the following issue -
> I
> > have
> > > had supervisors in schools in the United States ask me whether
> > students
> > > who are learning from a teacher who speaks her variety of
> English but
> > who
> > > does not use all aspects of Standard American English English
> (e.g.> "s"
> > > for plurals, lack of articles, etc.) will tranfer that to their
> own
> > > language development.  I remember from my SLA classes and readings
> > that
> > > they do not - would any of you be able to help me with locating
> > articles
> > > regarding this?
> > >
> > > Thank you.
> > >
> > > Manka M. Varghese
> > > Assistant Professor
> > > Language, literacy, and culture
> > > University of Washingon
> > > College of Education
> >
> >
>
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