[Edling] ORCiD- write to journal editors with your feedback

Fri May 26 00:01:34 UTC 2017

Hi all
A very interesting discussion with lots to think about. On the practical side, I checked with a publisher's rep yesterday and here is what I found out:
1. Some T&F journals are 'requiring' registration; others are 'recommending'. I've no idea how/who decided which journals would require/recommend. 
2. This should be treated as a test period to see what the uptake is. Thus, an excellent time to speak up by writing to the journal editors (who may not be on this list). 

For myself, I am simply writing to journals editors to say:

I am willing to continue to review for the journal but I am not in agreement with a policy that REQUIRES me to register for a separate database (i.e. ORCiD). When this requirement is change to a recommendation, optional for journal reviewers (as well as authors and others), I would be happy to work with you again.

Regards
Rita

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   1. Re: ORCID: A Double-edged Sword? (Curry, Mary Jane)

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Date: Thu, 25 May 2017 17:38:00 +0000
From: "Curry, Mary Jane" <mjcurry at Warner.Rochester.edu>
To: MARTIN EDWARDES <martin.edwardes at btopenworld.com>, The Educational
	Linguistics List <edling at bunner.geol.lu.se>
Subject: Re: [Edling] ORCID: A Double-edged Sword?
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Well, at least so far they aren?t asking us to pay for the wall/ORCiD access? :)

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Mary Jane Curry, PhD
Associate Professor
Warner Graduate School of Education
University of Rochester
474 LeChase Hall, 585.273.5934

Co-chair, UR Faculty Senate, 2016-17, 2017-18 Director, Warner Writing Support Services Associate Editor, Brief Research Reports, TESOL Quarterly

From: Edling <edling-bounces at bunner.geol.lu.se<mailto:edling-bounces at bunner.geol.lu.se>> on behalf of MARTIN EDWARDES <martin.edwardes at btopenworld.com<mailto:martin.edwardes at btopenworld.com>>
Reply-To: MARTIN EDWARDES <martin.edwardes at btopenworld.com<mailto:martin.edwardes at btopenworld.com>>, Educational List <edling at bunner.geol.lu.se<mailto:edling at bunner.geol.lu.se>>
Date: Thursday, May 25, 2017 at 10:57 AM
To: Educational List <edling at bunner.geol.lu.se<mailto:edling at bunner.geol.lu.se>>
Subject: Re: [Edling] ORCID: A Double-edged Sword?

I think one of the reasons for this is the use of reviewers recommended by the author, which turn out to be the authors themselves in wig and glasses. I can see the point of a full international database which registers our academic existence and qualifications - the medical professions already have something like this. If T&F were working with professional and academic bodies to produce such a database, I would be all for it. But a unilateral attempt such as this, using a frankly primitive tool like Orcid - which is, in the end, just a list with no verification processes to assure its data - well, it's like trying to keep criminals out of the USA by building a wall in a desert. Doing something, anything, the first thing thought of, is usually not a solution.

Martin

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From: "Wright, Wayne E" <wewright at purdue.edu<mailto:wewright at purdue.edu>>
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Subject: Re: [Edling] ORCID: A Double-edged Sword?

Thanks Mary Jane! Will you guys have a session at AILA about this?

-Wayne

Sent from my iPhone

On May 24, 2017, at 6:47 PM, Curry, Mary Jane <mjcurry at Warner.Rochester.edu<mailto:mjcurry at Warner.Rochester.edu>> wrote:

Thanks, Wayne, Theresa Lillis and I have been documenting those kinds of evaluation regimes in Europe since 2004 and more recently in other regions (eg Latin America). If anyone wants references, let me know. We also have a Google Group as part of our AILA Research on Publishing and Presenting Research in a Global Context which is an open group: aila-pub-ren at googlegroups.com<mailto:aila-pub-ren at googlegroups.com>. All are welcome to join.

Best
MJ

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Mary Jane Curry, PhD
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Warner Graduate School of Education
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Co-chair, UR Faculty Senate, 2016-17, 2017-18 Director, Warner Writing Support Services Associate Editor, Brief Research Reports, TESOL Quarterly

From: Edling <edling-bounces at bunner.geol.lu.se<mailto:edling-bounces at bunner.geol.lu.se>> on behalf of "Wright, Wayne E" <wewright at purdue.edu<mailto:wewright at purdue.edu>>
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Date: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 at 4:21 PM
To: Educational List <edling at bunner.geol.lu.se<mailto:edling at bunner.geol.lu.se>>
Subject: Re: [Edling] ORCID: A Double-edged Sword?

Thanks Francis for raising this issue.

We just learned recently of the ORCID requirement for contributors to our T&F journal. Journal editors were not consulted on this beforehand.

While I see value in the points raised, I also feel the point is somewhat moot as anyone who engages in public scholarship today will have their work indexed by 3rd party indexes. One can opt out of ORCID or refuse to publish in journals that require it, but their work is going to show up in a Google search whether they like it or not, as well as any indexes (like ERIC or Ebsco) that journals use ,and that we scholars rely on to find each other?s work.

The oppressive regimes of the past did not have Google or ORCID and yet seemed to have no problem identifying ?subservient? scholars.

A broader question may be what is the value of conducting scholarship in the 21st Century if one?s work is not accessible to those it can benefit? And is it even possible to prevent the same work from being visible to those who may wish to use it for nefarious purposes? Is this a risk we need to be willing to take if we want to engage in the type of scholarship we do?

One could argue that at the very least ORCID helps to disambiguate scholars so they are not falsely accused of authoring work by others with same or similar names.

To me a larger and more immediate concern is the growing use and abuse of bibliometrics that these third-party repositories and indexes are enabling. Some institutions are going as far as giving 1 to 5 star ratings of their faculty based on bibliometrics ? despite the deep flaws of these measures and questions about what these metrics actually measure and mean. It?s the equivalent of the abusive practice of rating teachers based on value-added measures drawn from highly questionable student high-stakes test data. I just learned of a new book on this issue I am looking forward to reading:

Bibliometrics and Research Evaluation: Uses and Abuses Yves Gingras<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.amazon.com_s_ref-3Ddp-5Fbyline-5Fsr-5Febooks-5F1-3Fie-3DUTF8-26text-3DYves-2BGingras-26search-2Dalias-3Ddigital-2Dtext-26field-2Dauthor-3DYves-2BGingras-26sort-3Drelevancerank&d=DwMGaQ&c=kbmfwr1Yojg42sGEpaQh5ofMHBeTl9EI2eaqQZhHbOU&r=_rMj7-Pgoc9IWqUnTVAZ6aLZ1r8V9PaRLjSW-DQVx4E&m=TRco8Tk2Rz40daYb62YvvO3xNMRirzcvGGVAi0ActaY&s=uOjktPKR_R5NekcfhttgHUvB4zVq8BdH9IZ1wHtOyS4&e=> (Author) https://www.amazon.com/Bibliometrics-Research-Evaluation-Foundations-Information-ebook/dp/B01LYQJ937/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1495656880&sr=8-1&keywords=bibliometrics+and+research+evaluation+uses+and+abuses<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.amazon.com_Bibliometrics-2DResearch-2DEvaluation-2DFoundations-2DInformation-2Debook_dp_B01LYQJ937_ref-3Dsr-5F1-5F1-3Fie-3DUTF8-26qid-3D1495656880-26sr-3D8-2D1-26keywords-3Dbibliometrics-2Band-2Bresearch-2Bevaluation-2Buses-2Band-2Babuses&d=DwMGaQ&c=kbmfwr1Yojg42sGEpaQh5ofMHBeTl9EI2eaqQZhHbOU&r=_rMj7-Pgoc9IWqUnTVAZ6aLZ1r8V9PaRLjSW-DQVx4E&m=TRco8Tk2Rz40daYb62YvvO3xNMRirzcvGGVAi0ActaY&s=jlTJZxYzHI3_zt3gdkjl866gwjI-aqaiaYfaG6zIucM&e=>

Looking forward to hearing other?s thoughts on these issues!

-Wayne

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From: Edling <edling-bounces at bunner.geol.lu.se<mailto:edling-bounces at bunner.geol.lu.se>> on behalf of Francis Hult <francis.hult at englund.lu.se<mailto:francis.hult at englund.lu.se>>
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Date: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 at 3:26 PM
To: Edling Edling <edling at bunner.geol.lu.se<mailto:edling at bunner.geol.lu.se>>
Subject: [Edling] ORCID: A Double-edged Sword?

Dear Edling colleagues,

I received an e-mail today from a well known journal in our field.  Several colleagues told me about receiving a similar letter in relation to other journals (all from Taylor & Francis).  It would seem like there is a movement taking place among a number of journals to shift from optional to required use of ORCID (https://orcid.org/<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__orcid.org_&d=DwMGaQ&c=kbmfwr1Yojg42sGEpaQh5ofMHBeTl9EI2eaqQZhHbOU&r=_rMj7-Pgoc9IWqUnTVAZ6aLZ1r8V9PaRLjSW-DQVx4E&m=TRco8Tk2Rz40daYb62YvvO3xNMRirzcvGGVAi0ActaY&s=fU6hZ2Xhp5C96G1smbHY_QVtE_btxlAmS_HtZIbAmpU&e=>) for authors and reviewers.  The Swedish Research Council already requires it for grant submissions.  While there are a number of potential benefits, it would seem to me that there are also ethical and moral issues to consider when it comes to the close tracking of researchers.  The recent sociopolitical circumstances in Turkey, Hungary and Poland come to mind.  Not to mention, at the risk of invoking Godwin's Law, the violent oppression of researchers by the Nazi regime.

While I would not wish to prevent anyone from using ORCID if they find it useful, I do find it troubling that journals would now require us to register in a third party database (even one managed by a purportedly benign non-profit organization) in order to author or review papers.  I wrote the letter below in response to the message I received (the name of the editor and journal have been redacted here).  I put the question to the members of the list: How do you feel about this?  Should there be a wider conversation about this among researchers and publishers?

Best,
Francis

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Dear _____,

I am writing because I am deeply concerned about the move by _____ to require the use of ORCID.  I have long had strong ethical concerns about third party organizations, even a non-profit with a purportedly benign objective, developing databases and repositories of scholars.  There can be any number of unintended consequences of creating such a repository, not least related to their potential sociopolitical misuse.  One can look historically to the Nazi regime in the 1930s and 40s and their aggressive oppression of Jewish scholars and other academics doing 'dangerous' research or even more recently to the Trump administration seeking out scholars who are doing climate research that does not align with its political objectives.  In our own field of bi-/multilingualism, it is not too far of a leap to imagine that ultra-nationalist parties may gain control in certain European countries and seek out for sanction researchers who do work on plurilingualism and multiculturalism.  There is a real danger that repositories like ORCID could more easily facilitate such academic oppression.

In addition, in the information age and the rise of 'big data', information privacy and security is no small matter.  While an organization such as ORCID has seemingly good intentions at this time, we are nonetheless contributing to a database of personal/professional data in order to participate.  We thus give control of this information over to an organization that may use it in the future with unpredictable and unintended consequences:
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/11/if-youre-not-paranoid-youre-crazy/407833/<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.theatlantic.com_magazine_archive_2015_11_if-2Dyoure-2Dnot-2Dparanoid-2Dyoure-2Dcrazy_407833_&d=DwMGaQ&c=kbmfwr1Yojg42sGEpaQh5ofMHBeTl9EI2eaqQZhHbOU&r=_rMj7-Pgoc9IWqUnTVAZ6aLZ1r8V9PaRLjSW-DQVx4E&m=TRco8Tk2Rz40daYb62YvvO3xNMRirzcvGGVAi0ActaY&s=FaAuDqqevx9V-WCORtDuzIWCzApyVtjcVw-8Pq37vbM&e=>

There is an internet adage that "if you are not the client, you are the product."  This has become apparent for several popular academic repositories that employ user-submitted information and materials for their own objectives:
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While many researchers today opt in to repositories such as Academia.edu<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__academia.edu_&d=DwMFaQ&c=kbmfwr1Yojg42sGEpaQh5ofMHBeTl9EI2eaqQZhHbOU&r=_rMj7-Pgoc9IWqUnTVAZ6aLZ1r8V9PaRLjSW-DQVx4E&m=BgCGKe5OjfKMZdm54AMji6QJ_FCHm_xe3paBDFoFjzE&s=AarZoxlFvrru80Cox0cw9E4enFnh3-rhSVBaXFJFSHw&e=>, ResearchGate, Google Scholar, or ORCID, others have chosen not to for ethical and moral reasons.  Perhaps they are concerned about privacy, big data, and potential future (mis)use of information.  Perhaps they do not wish to facilitate easy tracking of research by certain government regimes or radicals.  While published research is publicly available, regimes have in the past at least been required to create their own repositories of 'dangerous' scholars.

There are no doubt potential benefits of contemporary research repositories, but there are potential dangers as well.  It should be the choice of individual scholars to participate in them or not.  When a journal like___forces a researcher to participate in ORCID, we are faced with the dilemma of comprising our moral and ethical values or being excluded from the journal's academic community.  It is a bargain that I would rather not to have to strike.

I implore the editorial leadership of _____ to make the use of ORCID optional for authors and reviewers.

Yours sincerely,
Francis Hult

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