ELL: French government refuses to recognise minority languages
Jeff ALLEN
jeff at elda.fr
Thu Jul 8 15:36:55 UTC 1999
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Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 17:36:55 +0200
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At 09:59 07/07/99 +0900, Mark Irwin wrote:
>
> From The Guardian (UK), 27 June '99:
>
> Chirac defends pure French tongue against regional Tower of Babel
>
> Jon Henley in Paris
>
> Sunday June 27, 1999
>
> One hundred years ago, the teachers of the Third Republic used to beat any
> pupil caught playing truant, spitting - or speaking Breton.
Actually, it is even more recent than 100 years ago. While I was in
graduate
school at the Universite Lyon 2, my professor of dialectology told us that
he
had recently had a student (under 25 years old) who remembered being
punished
in primary school for speaking patois.
I'll look into it and see if I find anything more about someone protesting.
Jeff
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Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 15:16:06 -0400
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On Thursday, July 08, 1999 12:43 PM, Jeff Allen wrote:
>Actually, it is even more recent than 100 years ago. While I
was in
graduate
>school at the Universite Lyon 2, my professor of
dialectology told us that
he
>had recently had a student (under 25 years old) who
remembered being
punished
>in primary school for speaking patois.
>
>. . .
>
>Jeff
>
Patois is an interesting choice of words (if it was the
professor's). The
student may have been speaking Breton. But isn't there also
a distinctive
dialect of French in Brittany called (I think) Gallo? Could
that have been
what was punished? Ironically, people can still be looked
down on after
converting to a dominant language if they come up with a
dialect that is at
too much variance with the standard version of the stronger
language. And
people can be admired for their command of the dominant
language when it has
been kept a second language.
Joe McCloskey
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Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 09:22:37 +0200
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At 15:16 08/07/99 -0400, Joseph McCloskey wrote:
>On Thursday, July 08, 1999 12:43 PM, Jeff Allen wrote:
of dialectology told us that
>he had recently had a student (under 25 years old) who
remembered being
>punished
>>in primary school for speaking patois.
>>
>>Jeff
>>
>Patois is an interesting choice of words (if it was the
professor's). The
>student may have been speaking Breton.
This was a general statement about local patois of French,
not necessarily
reflecting Breton specifically. The local patois in France
(themselves
grouped into 3 major French-based dialects called O.l,
Occitan, and
Franco-Proven.al), as well as non-French-based dialects
(Breton, Basque,
Wallon, Strasbourgeois, etc) also found in France, all
suffered the same
repression in the French education system over the past
century.
Jeff
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