ELL: l'arbre croche and odaw

Thu Jun 15 04:24:58 UTC 2000

Regarding the little use of these languages.

The cultures have been mostly wiped out.

In the west, where we take everything as little more than collection of parts,
it would be similar to noting that the doors on a car would not open, without
noting that the car was crashed directly into a stone wall that had collapsed
the body somewhat.

The languages now can be little more than a curiosity, unless political events
change that would allow people to have a culture that is somehow different than
White American.

These languages were the cradle of the people who lived them, spoke them in
discussing the knowledge that they possed about the natural world around them.

Those people there and many people still around the world still don't need all
the gadgets that the west has produced with its "great civilization" in the
last two hundreds years.

However it would appear that this "great civilization" is going to continue to
wipe out what is remaining of cultures.

If these cultures are going to survive, and hence languages, then they must
guard what they know with the fierceness of the orthodox small community as the
Jews have succeeded in doing.

In Thailand, the people and the methods they use who destroy the language and
the culture of the Akha is very well known.  Very well documented.  They are
from America.

Some people call it the interesting word "Language Shift".

Matthew
Maesai, Thailand.

Greg C wrote:

> Not actually a REPLY to your letter, except to say I am interested
> in the indigenous languages of Michigan and ALL indigenous languages
> of the US and Canada, most of which are totally ignored.  The Biloxi
> language of Mississippi died out, I am told, during the period the
> single dissertation on the language was being published.  There seems
> to be some cursory interest in the AmerIndian languiages of the
> western US; word lists or phrase books on Navajo, Hopi, Apache etc
> surface from time to time at "Trading Posts" that cater to tourists,
> but of the languages in the Central and Eastern US there is next to
> total silence.
>      I wrote a letter to the State of Florida asking about language
> resources and statistics for the Seminole and Miccosukkee languages
> of Florida, to which I never received a reply.  I overheard some
> Miccosukkee (I PRESUME it was, that is) being spoken at the Indian-run
> gambling establishment west of Miami between two elderly men, but the
> young men and women were communiating in ordinary English.  Like you,
> I wondered if the language was surviving or moribund.  I have never
> heard a spoken word of Seminole in my lifetime despite living in
> Florida for over thirty years.
>
>      Greg Charlton
>      Miramar FL 33025
>
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> i am wondering if anyone is interested in the languages of michigan,
> esp. those variations of eastern ojibway (=odawa) in emmet county
> (historically "l'arbre croche").  are the casinos helping odawa
> survive?  how many people speak a native language of michigan?  how
> many CHILDREN speak?  these and other questions have been on my mind since
> i've been staying in harpor springs.  i would love any input that someone
> may have on the variations and field methodology.
>
> all the best,
>
> benjamin d. troutman '01
> 129 e. bluff dr.
> harpor springs, mi. 49470
> 231)526-2926
> troutmab at gusun.georgetown.edu
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