voice-over and time beam

[Rick O'Gorman]

Hi Ben (and David),

I have to disagree here. Being privy to previous posts by David, I 
understood where he is coming from. I also totally appreciate his 
contributions. Nonetheless, having been a newbie to e-prime myself 
recently, I also understand Bas' and Oisin's challenges. We all have 
limited time and sometimes its more efficient to ask someone who knows 
rather than always try to learn everything yourself (I tend to make the 
latter mistake). Furthermore, the manuals aren't perfect.

The bottom line is that no-one holds a gun to anyone's head here to 
answer questions. If you don't have the answer, or feel its too 
difficult to explain, then you can ignore the request or politely tell 
the poster that. If you think the answer is in the manual, then advising 
to RTFM (perhaps without the F) is reasonable. But there is little more 
as off-putting when joining a new group then being abruptly asked why 
you didn't read up more first, or some other harsh introduction.

It sets the wrong tone, in my view, and I don't really see the 
necessity. But we all get frustrated also, so we need to also forgive 
the rebukes. :)

Rick

ben robinson wrote:
> in defense of David:
> guys, i think you've misunderstood the tone of David's email, which is 
> all too easy to do when reading these kinds of online forums.
> you asked a question the answer to which is really quite complicated to 
> communicate to someone brand-new to the eprime programming environment.  
> at least, i had difficulty trying to answer it in a clear fashion.  
> David is consistently and patiently responding to questions of this sort 
> on an almost daily basis it seems - just look back at forum questions 
> and answers over the course of the last year.  David has probably 
> responded to and possibly solved 80% of all questions asked here.  i, 
> myself, might respond to 1 in a hundred help requests, at best.  David 
> is all over this forum.
> please re-read David's post, minus any assumption that he is being 
> spiteful.  he's asking an honest question.
> if you ask a question that is easy to answer, there are those of us on 
> this forum more than happy to help.  when you ask a more complicated 
> question, sometimes we'll have time to help, and other times when we're 
> busy doing our own work we'll wonder to ourselves, "why didn't they hire 
> a programmer to help with this?"  we've all got our own jobs to do.
> David has been an incredible resource for this forum, and not one to 
> instigate any kind of "flame war".  please don't take offense at what he 
> wrote, as i don't believe it was meant to be offensive.
> thanks David, and Bas, i hope my suggesting regarding how to present 
> your TimeBeam was helpful.
> 
> ben
> 
> On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 9:17 AM, Bas en Oisin <bashartel at gmail.com 
> <mailto:bashartel at gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> 
>     Hi,
> 
>     Dear David McFarlane, we dont really understand where your frustration
>     is coming from. We thought the use of this forum was that experienced
>     E-Prime users could help out less-experienced users.
>     To answer your question ("Do you want to be a psychologist who dabbles
>     in computer programming, or instead a computer programmer
>     who dabbles in psychology?"): Neither. We are two medicine students
>     who are currently working on our scientific internship, we are a 3th
>     and 4th year students. We've been assigned by our supervising
>     professor with the task develope this E-prime test described in our
>     previous mail. The (programming) basis for this test was already set
>     for us and we wanted to improve it by adding a time-beam and voice-
>     over text (we already succeded in the latter). So we are still in the
>     "learning"-progress and we do enjoy it. Maybe if you could assist us
>     with our E-prime problems we could assist you in your apparent social-
>     skills' problems. We don't accept the tone you adress us with, we
>     thought we could get some help here, but apparently we need to find
>     some other way.
> 
>     Dear Michiel Spape, we succeded so far in programming our test, we
>     just have our last few errors in completing it. We have the getting
>     started guide (along with the users's guide and the reference guide).
>     We just weren't able to extract the informating for u time beam during
>     1 trial out of these books.
> 
>     Well, we cant really thank you.
> 
>     Greats,
> 
>     Oisin and Bas
> 
> 
>     ,.
> 
> 
> 
> > 

-- 
Rick O'Gorman, PhD
Psychology, Faculty of Development and Society
Collegiate Crescent Campus,
Sheffield Hallam University,
Sheffield
S10 2BP

Phone: 0114 225 5788 Fax: 0114 225 2430

http://www.shu.ac.uk/psychology/staff/OGorman.html

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and hope for reward, then we are a sorry lot indeed.
                                  --Albert Einstein

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