Help! Getting a probe word chosen out of a large list once during every sample

[liwenna]

Hey John!

I think I see your problem now... you want to have groups of nine
words appearing in nine different locations and after each location is
used once...  a new run of nine words on each location etc. while in
each group of 9 words your probeword needs to be used once and the
other 8 words need to be randomly drawn from the remaining 23 words?

Is that correct?

*thinkthinkthink*
how about... make a list with 9 levels... and an attribute called
'stimword' or whatever name you are using right now. This is the
attribute that the textobject or slide will call out to for it's word.
Fill out your probeword in one of the levels of 'stimword' and make
the other 8 levels call out to a second attribute for instance called
distractor by filling out [distractor] as the value of 'stimword'.
Into this 9-level list nest a list called for instance
'distractorlist' that contains the attribute 'distractor' and has 23
levels holding the distractorwords. Randomise both lists and set the
first list to be run a number of times (as many runs of 9 words as you
need). Now... e-prime will run the 9-level (= 9 trials) list a set
number of times always using the probeword in 1 out of 9 trials and
randomingly pick words from the remaining 23 words on the remaining 8
trials. I would actually then suggest adding a 24th word to make
3x8=24+3 = 27 = 3 runs of 9 words possible... yet the very fact that
your 23 words don't seem to 'match up' with what I now think you need
done makes me think that I might have not the right idea of what you
need after all....   Lastly: I don't know how you implemented the
randompositioning at the moment but if the above suggstion is what you
need after all, I suggest putting that attribute in yet anoter list
that is also nested into the 9-level triallist together with the
distractorlist (separate listnames by comma's in the attribute
'nested').


Best,

liw


On Feb 16, 9:23 pm, John Fletcher <thethirdcl... at gmail.com> wrote:
> Tobias,
> Thank you for your response. I am currently using a nested list
> containing my 23 distractors and one probe word. I have my main list
> calling to that for each presentation, my problem is that I cannot
> figure out how to guarantee that my probe word will show up every time
> while still keeping where it shows up in my list random.
>
> Thanks,
> JCFIII
>
> On Feb 16, 10:47 am, Tobias <tobias... at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi John,
>
> > you should use a nested list with an attribute (the name of a column
> > in the list) with 23 entries (i.e. one line for each word). You can
> > then call that list from another list using square brackets around the
> > attribute's name. That should make it a bit easier...
>
> > Cheers,
> > Tobias
>
> > On 16 Feb., 17:01, John Fletcher <thethirdcl... at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > liw,
> > > thank you for your response. The words are being shown 1 at a time in
> > > the 9 positions. My problem with setting the list to random is that
> > > the probe word is not shown every time in one of those 9 position
> > > because there are 23 other words and only one probe. I have tried
> > > weighting my probe word, but I cannot have it shown more than once in
> > > each group of 9 words. I am rather new to E-prime, and if what i have
> > > written is not enough information about my experiment please let me
> > > know and when I get out of class I will sit down and write out all of
> > > what I am doing.
>
> > > Thanks,
> > > JCFIII
>
> > > On Feb 16, 4:56 am, liwenna <liwe... at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Hey John,
>
> > > > These nine positions.... are nine words shown at once? Or are the
> > > > words shown one at a time and at one of the nine positions?
> > > > In the first case I think we'd need some extra information on your
> > > > current set-up, in the second case you'd simply have your list contain
> > > > the 24 words, on of them your probeword, in 24 levels and by selecting
> > > > random order for your list properties your problem would be
> > > > solved... ?
>
> > > > best,
>
> > > > liw
>
> > > > On Feb 15, 9:43 pm, John Fletcher <thethirdcl... at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > Hello, I am very close to having my experiment done, but I just have
> > > > > one last piece that I have yet to figure out. I have a list of 24
> > > > > words, 23 of which are distractors, and 1 is my probe word. I have 9
> > > > > serial positions that these words need to show up randomly in, but my
> > > > > probe word has to show up once randomly during every run of the list.
> > > > > I cannot seem to figure out how to make this happen. If anyone can
> > > > > shed some light on my situation I would immensely grateful. Thank you
> > > > > for taking the time to read this.

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