Sound files, Crashing, and Windows 7 (not as catchy as sun, sea and sangria) Update??

[aoifemcloughlin]

Hi all,

Success!!!! After installing a virtual machine and then installing
Windows XP as the OS, I installed e-prime on to the virtual machine
and the experiments are working fine. I don't seem to be experiencing
any timing problems or anything.

It may be slightly fiddly and annoying having to install all this, and
it perhaps wouldn't be an answer if you would have to do this to an
entire lab full of computers but for anyone who only has a couple of
licenses and is experiencing issues with Windows 7 this is definitely
a feasible solution!

Thanks to everyone for their help!

Aoife

On Oct 12, 3:45 pm, aoifemcloughlin <fifilabou... at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Michiel,
>
> To be honest most of the response from PST is very much over my head.
> I'm hoping that I'll be able to get someone to explain it to me in
> plain old english later on this evening. Right now I just wish I had
> never decided to get a new laptop and stuck with the old one that
> worked. Life was much simpler then. I still haven't managed to get the
> virtual machine up and running as I am waiting on a copy of XP from my
> institutions IT dept but as we are in the middle of "Open Days" here
> no one seems quite willing to help me out on that score.
>
> I will update again once I have actually managed to achieve anything
> that I set out to do this week!
>
> Aoife
>
> On Oct 12, 1:42 pm, Michiel Spape <Michiel.Sp... at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> > Thank you greatly for the information, much appreciated!
>
> > Here's my 2p: I believe it is really nice that PST is finally testing ASIO drivers for the use in real-time experiments, but I'm slightly confused about how this is actually implemented. As far as I can see, and have always been assuming, E-Prime 1 (not sure about 2) relies on DirectSound - since they have never made a claim professional audio systems are required. ASIO, you see, is a Steinberg (who developed Cubase) framework for delivering realtime audio in scenarios where it really matters - i.e. in pro-audio music production, which generally required (up till a few years) a dedicated pro-audio system. In my years with E-Prime, I have, however, never heard of any such thing being used in conjunction with E-Prime, and instead have relied on the rather unassuming (Microsoft) DirectSound (part of DirectX framework, which is, I think, mainly developed for games) to take care of this. ASIO4ALL is a bit of a 'hobbyist' hack that enables most integrated hardware to run in low-latency music production systems... It is, however, not bad, and often better than bad 'real' ASIO drivers.
> > Meanwhile, all that is of no concern whatsoever to Windows 7: ASIO has been around for ages (studios, like labs, don't immediately switch to new OS'es), is cross-platform, whereas CoreAudio is for the Macintosh (seehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CoreAudio), and finally, since Vista, Microsoft has released the low-latency WaveRT drivers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WaveRT), that would conceivably a much better option than either ASIO (for different hardware) or CoreAudio (for the Mac).
>
> > Last, and most importantly: how on Earth do you do this: "For audio experiment, PST is recommending end users consider
> > using the ASIO4LL driver or ensure their system has a CoreAudio driver on their system."?
>
> > Best,
> > Mich
>
> > Michiel Spapé
> > Research Fellow
> > Perception & Action group
> > University of Nottingham
> > School of Psychologywww.cognitology.eu
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of aoifemcloughlin
> > Sent: 12 October 2010 12:33
> > To: E-Prime
> > Subject: Re: Sound files, Crashing, and Windows 7 (not as catchy as sun, sea and sangria) Update??
>
> > Hi all,
>
> > PST have just replied to me with this response:
>
> > Aoife,
>
> > While PST has not officially published timing results for Windows 7,
> > internal timing results have been positive for Windows 7 in regards to
> > experiment timing, display accuracy, and response devices in
> > comparison to other operating systems. The caveaut to why the delay
> > for publishing the timing results is in regards to support for the PST
> > Serial Response Box (SRBOX) under x64 editions of the operating
> > systems as well as low latency consistent timing for audio/sound
> > experiments. PST is internally verifying a 64-bit driver for the
> > SRBOX. For audio experiment, PST is recommending end users consider
> > using the ASIO4LL driver or ensure their system has a CoreAudio driver
> > on their system. PST will be releasing a utility to test your system
> > to determine if ASIO or CoreAudio is the appropriate API for your
> > sound paradigms. Please keep review of the web support site or forum
> > for any updates.
>
> > Sincerely,
>
> > Cindy Carper
> > Technical Consultant
>
> > I have attempted downloading XP mode on Windows 7 but as it is my
> > personal laptop that I am running the experiment on I only have
> > Windows 7 Home Edition. XP mode is only available to Professional and
> > above.
>
> > Currently I am about to install a virtual machine on to my laptop and
> > then run that using XP, details available herehttp://www.howtogeek.com/howto/11060/create-an-xp-mode-for-windows7-h....
> > I can only speculate at this point that it may mess up the timing a
> > bit, but will update here once I have everything installed and up and
> > running. Fingers crossed! The research I'm conducting is for my PhD
> > and I would really like to graduate at some point!!!
>
> > I'll be back with an update over the next few days,
>
> > Aoife
>
> > On Oct 12, 10:09 am, Michiel Spape <Michiel.Sp... at nottingham.ac.uk>
> > wrote:
> > > Hiya,
>
> > > Did anyone try yet to run E-Prime in "WinXP Mode" in Windows 7? I can't imagine the timing will be brilliant, but perhaps good enough for development purposes...
>
> > > Best,
>
> > > Mich
>
> > > Michiel Spapé
>
> > > Research Fellow
>
> > > Perception & Action group
>
> > > University of Nottingham
>
> > > School of Psychology
>
> > >www.cognitology.eu
>
> > > From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Lidia Suarez
> > > Sent: 12 October 2010 01:33
> > > To: e-prime at googlegroups.com
> > > Subject: Re: Sound files, Crashing, and Windows 7 (not as catchy as sun, sea and sangria) Update??
>
> > > Hi Aoife,
>
> > > I wrote to them more than two months ago about this, they requested some files and I am still waiting for their response/solution. Unacceptable. Go for XP.
>
> > > Regards,
>
> > > Lidia
>
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