(Not) Understanding edat time variable(s)

[David McFarlane]

Jason,

Oops, let's clarify that for the record -- I never said that I never 
came across such "variables" (the correct term is "attribute", 
variables are something very different and we must not get them mixed 
up) in IFIS, I only said that I had never come across such attributes 
in standard E-Prime .edat files.  Those attributes may very well be a 
standard part of IFIS, but my memory of IFIS is so painful that I do 
not care to recall such details.  It would make more sense to re-post 
this thread as "(Not) Understanding IFIS time attribute(s)".

As to my little writeup, well, I might just dredge that up and send 
it to you separately, as long as you promise not to ask me any 
further questions about it.  But that will have to wait -- it's 2:15p 
here in the Easter Time Zone of the USA, I have not had lunch, I have 
been officially off duty since 1p, I am sitll facing a flurry and 
backlog of e-mail, and I have tons of other work to take care of for 
others.  So you will understand if I treat this as low 
priority.  Maybe some time after the weekend.  In the meantime, see 
what you can make of the IFIS documentation yourself.

Regards,
-- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder


>Yes, I've apparently waded into a quagmire, one successfully avoided 
>for years... While I am grateful for your response, learning that 
>you've never come across such a variable given your experiences with 
>IFIS is not great news. That said however, you wouldn't happen to 
>have a copy of that "documentation" that you'd be willing to "share" would you?
>
>Cheers,
>Jason
>
>
>On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 1:15 PM, David McFarlane 
><<mailto:mcfarla9 at msu.edu>mcfarla9 at msu.edu> wrote:
>Jason,
>
>Ah, IFIS!  You didn't say that at the start, in that case all bets 
>are off!  We used IFIS for many years and finally abondoned it a few 
>years back for our own custom setup, what a relief!  I can't believe 
>anyone still uses that outmoded system.  IFIS is a mess, it forces a 
>draconian task structure using several PackageCalls, it adds all 
>sorts of attributes and overrides your E-Prime settings with 
>settings that it hides in several Lists in Unreferenced E-Objects 
>without explanation, and generally completely violates the 
>well-designed task representation already provided by the designers 
>of E-Prime.  And it requires two computers for no good reason, and 
>requires leaving a wide open network share, what an invitation for 
>hackers!  And the documentation is even worse than that for E-Prime, 
>I had to work out all the principles and "gotchas" myself and 
>distilled it down to a three-page writeup that explained more than 
>their entire sorry excuse for a manual.  Don't get me started!  I 
>feel sorry for you.
>
>-- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder
>
>
>
>At 9/3/2010 12:42 PM Friday, you wrote:
>David,
>
>Thanks for the quick response and "unfortunate" information about the
>variables. As this paradigm will be used for fMRI research, perhaps
>these are variables declared by IFIS. Regardless, more legwork is
>needed.
>
>Cheers,
>Jason
>
>
>
>On Sep 3, 11:46 am, David McFarlane 
><<mailto:mcfar... at msu.edu>mcfar... at msu.edu> wrote:
> > Jason,
> >
> > I have a *lot* of experience with EP and .edat files, and I do not
> > recognize these as standard attributes that would be added
> > automatically.  Therefore, they must have been added by whoever made
> > your specific EP program, and you have to ask that person.  No one
> > here will be able to help you, sorry.
> >
> > -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder
> >
> > >In my edat file there are several time related variables with values
> > >that vex me. For example, the variable 'RunTime' = 14:45:07, which I
> > >understand. However the variable 'RunStartTime' = 162726 completely
> > >vexes me. Any insight into this would be greatly appreciated.
> >
> > >Best regards,
> > >Jason

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