Moving flanker to the right position

[Michiel Spape]

Also agreeing with David's sentiment, I would add here that 1) I had tremendous difficulty understanding what exactly the problem was, hence, no help from me. If it takes me more time to understand than solve, I run out of patience. 2) Thinking out of the box, while good advice, is rather difficult to do. A bit like forcing free will. So, more suggestions: starting from scratch; starting with another project, returning after your mind has settled. 3) if you must, you could always break down the string (in a char array, though that's hardly necessary here) and placing each letter manually on the screen, thus aligning whichever way you like. Lots of work, but not too difficult.
Not to mention, follow David's advice that is normally added to each and every post: chat with PST!
Best,
Mich

Michiel Spapé
Research Fellow
Perception & Action group
University of Nottingham
School of Psychology
www.cognitology.eu

From: e-prime at googlegroups.com [mailto:e-prime at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Meltem BALLAN
Sent: 12 October 2011 16:03
To: e-prime at googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Moving flanker to the right position

I cannot stop myself to say that I totally agree with David. It is always the bug in the script somewhere. Mostly, I have the tendency to short-cut things. But I am wrong. I am successful in the situations that I start from the scratch and program it over again. I would suggest you the same. I know we all fight against time but having a solid task is better than anything in this regard.
Good luck with your problem Gilis and must tell that I am not crazy about Visual basic either. Contradictory to the name it is tricky.
Meltem
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 9:48 AM, David McFarlane <mcfarla9 at msu.edu<mailto:mcfarla9 at msu.edu>> wrote:
Gilis,

On Wed Oct 12, 1:06 pm, gilis <gilads... at gmail.com<mailto:gilads... at gmail.com>> wrote:
> Absolutely sure...No minor possible mistake that wasn't check....It's
> a bag [sic] in eprime itself.

In 1978, fresh out of University, I started on a programming project at Ford Motor Company in Dearborn, Michigan (USA).  Time and again my programs failed, and I convinced myself that I had uncovered a true bug in the underlying system.  Time and again the lead engineer told me, "There is nothing wrong with the system, go back and find the mistake in your program."  And in every case he was right -- the fault always lay in my program, never in the system.  And ever since then I have become very circumspect about concluding that bugs lie in the system instead of in my source code.

Not long ago on this very Group, someone (was it you?) led us all on a merry chase puzzling out why their stimulus files would not load.  It turned out that the files were stored remotely on a networked computer somewhere, and the subject-running station had trouble accessing that remote drive.  Sheesh!

So Gilis, it comes down to this -- Although E-Prime does indeed have several identifiable bugs, in this case you have almost certainly *not* found a bug in E-Prime.  I.e., your problem lies somewhere in the design of your program, or in your understanding of how E-Prime works, *not* in E-Prime itself.  The problem almost certainly lies someplace where you are not looking for it, probably because you are too close to the problem and keep seeing only what you want to see.  Because of this, you also cannot tell us the missing detail that would help us solve this for you -- if you could see enough to state that detail, then you would have already solved this yourself.

Hence, you must think "outside the box" here.  And when you do find the mistake, you will slap yourself in the forehead and say, "Why didn't I see that sooner?"

-- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder
"A poor workman blames his tools."


On Wed 12 Oct 2011 liwenna wrote:
mmm not sure if/why this should solve it, but sometimes simplification
is bliss...

did you try using one textobject with three lines instead of three
separate textobjects on each side.

[flanker1]
[flanker2]
[flanker3]

^ that in one textbox, rather than three. Also: press {return},
{space} then again {return} in order to create an empty line between
two lines, if needed.

On Oct 12, 3:09 pm, gilis <gilads... at gmail.com<mailto:gilads... at gmail.com>> wrote:
Yes they are taken from a list, and no-no unwanted spaces, and I
checked it more than once....

On Oct 12, 1:34 pm, liwenna <liwe... at gmail.com<mailto:liwe... at gmail.com>> wrote:






Are the flankerwords taken from a list?? Are you as sure that there
are no unwanted spaces in that list?
On Oct 12, 1:06 pm, gilis <gilads... at gmail.com<mailto:gilads... at gmail.com>> wrote:
Absolutely sure...No minor possible mistake that wasn't check....It's
a bag in eprime itself, I will try Meltem solution.
On Oct 11, 3:58 pm, ben robinson <baltimore.... at gmail.com<mailto:baltimore.... at gmail.com>> wrote:
are you sure you don't have an extra space hidden at the beginning of
that one flanker containing "SEA"...
" [flanker]" instead of
"[flanker]"
?
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 4:29 AM, gilis <gilads... at gmail.com<mailto:gilads... at gmail.com>> wrote:
Yes I do..as for the x alignment and etc, it's just like that of the
other words..there should be no reason why they appear so different in
position on the display..
On Oct 10, 10:43 pm, Evelina Tapia <evel... at illinois.edu<mailto:evel... at illinois.edu>> wrote:
Gilis,
under textbox properties you can specify text color, textbox
background color etc. You can also specify alignment there as well so
try that for you right display. Also, do you have separate text boxes
for each word or for each flanker object? There could be potential
word wrapping differences between the two items as well.
Evelina
On Oct 10, 11:46 am, gilis <gilads... at gmail.com<mailto:gilads... at gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi,
I have two flankers in my experiment display, one is on the right and
the other is on the left. Each flanker is made of 3 words (separate
text object for each), one above the other. The problem I get is that
while on the left everything seems OK and balanced, on the right, the
upper word is pushed from the beginning of the display, so while the
flanker on the left side look like that:
FOOD
WATER
FORK
the flanker on the right side look like that:
 SEA
LAND
BOAT
i.e., it doesn't start from the beginning of the row though it was
defined to start from there..Also, I was thinking that it is a problem
with the way the word is put in the list from which the text object
call it-but apparently there is nothing wrong...Also, while all other
words remain stable when the experiment goes from one slide to the
other, the only moving word is off course the upper one (i.e., sea).
Thanks in advance,
Gilis

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