"the" (2)
David B. Kronenfeld
david.kronenfeld at ucr.edu
Mon Aug 30 20:14:02 UTC 2004
Mostly I agree with you. But we do hear or see occasional usage of
expressions like "the Donald" or "the Arnold". When used they seem to be a
way of being a little cute--and of implying that the person in question has
become something of either a caricature or a trademark. And, for my
examples, "the Arnold" kind of trails after "the terminator"--but as a way
of cutting him down a little, while "the Donald" sort of cuts our supreme
trumpeter down a bit while also making clear that we are talking about a
business trademark (not just any old "Donald", but "the Donald"). Language
remains a moving target and we continue to do funny things with it.
Cheers,
David
At 12:22 PM 8/30/2004, Johanna Rubba wrote:
>I don't see "the 405" as placement of an article before a proper name. I
>do believe it is a short form of "the 405 freeway." If you've listened to
>enough LA radio traffic reports, you hear alternation between the shorter
>and longer usage. And perhaps people more expert on SoCal usage can chime
>in as to whether So. Californians use "the" in front of other proper
>names. I don't have any awareness of such. I do not hear the usages Steve
>Long reports, e.g. "the Santa Claus" or "the Popeye".
>
>As to "the Christ", I'm sure Gibson was using it in the traditional
>theological sense, this being a very fundamentalist Catholic movie. But
>somehow I doubt that this film is responsible for the spread of such
>usages. It's too recent. "The Donald" has been in common use since long
>before Gibson's film appeared. My intuition tells me that "the" is
>inserted in such cases as a campy acknowledgment of his (supposed?)
>uniqueness and fame, as we say "the sun" and "the moon", because we can be
>sure everyone knows which sun or moon (or Donald) we are talking about.
>
>Re British "the Burger King", this has a familiar ring to me. But my
>memories of British English are too foggy to verify or come up with other
>examples. Surely there are some Brits out there who subscribe to Funknet ... ?
>
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