Better than biological/linguistic parallels?
Salinas17 at aol.com
Salinas17 at aol.com
Mon Mar 27 06:45:44 UTC 2006
In a message dated 3/26/06 4:10:23 PM, macw at mac.com writes:
<< You could well decide instead to use another, more selectionist,
biological mechanism as his analogy. That would at least allow us to keep our analogies
straight. >>
Or, better yet, one might use a more purposeful form of development than
biology or evolution. Proteins reflect a highly complex process, but I hope no
one is saying that their structure or function is intentional.
There are probably excellent examples of complexity and emergence in human
technology that would make far superior analogies to the very intention driven
structure of language. For example, if you trace the physics, mathematics,
chemical and material engineering necessary to bring Stone Age projectile to Mars
explorer, you'd see a long line of emergences, wouldn't you? And, like
language, all were objective-driven. Some of them perhaps as elegant as protein
folding? Or how about the emergence over time of technologies that allow us to
observe and decipher proteins? Or do the human genome? Or cell phones and
race cars, for that matter? At least you'd be comparing apples and apples, one
would think.
<< But, then we need to have some evidence that the "form/meaning mapping is
usually very crisp, and based on the internal symmetries of the used portion
of the phonological inventory of the language." >>
Or even that such processing -- whether crisp or not -- is somehow
independent of action/effect mapping that may include not just dictionary "meanings" of
words, but more importantly what the effect of using a particular piece of
language has been and therefore might be in the future. The phonological part of
matching would be far less complex than the "mapping" of everything words can
make happen when we use them or hear them. When we read Shakespeare's
"Sleep, that mends the raveled sleeve of care," do we really think that the phonemes
would be the most difficult thing to map?
Regards,
Steve Long
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