a-dancing and a-singing
A. Katz
amnfn at well.com
Sat Jun 6 14:43:51 UTC 2009
Paul,
Is the OED free through the Hunt Library online to those not affiliated?
I was wondering whether it might be a legitimate undertaking to form a
sort of information co-op between those of us on Funknet who have
institutional affiliations -- and hence free access to all sorts of books,
resources and manuscripts -- and those who do not.
In that context, if someone wished to look up a word in the OED, then they
might ask someone who had access to do so. If someone without interlibrary
loan privileges needed to have access to a certain page of a book, then
someone with those privileges might provide a link...
I'm sure this could be done without violating copyright, as it would not
involve copying anything more than a minute portion of the information in
any copyrighted work -- the same amount of information that we are allowed
to quote in our articles without infringing on copyright.
--Aya
On Sat, 6 Jun 2009, Paul Hopper wrote:
> Brian,
>
> The OED has been available free through your own Hunt Library at CMU for
> years. I use it frequently.
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> On Sat, June 6, 2009 7:49 am, Brian MacWhinney wrote:
>> Dear Funknetters,
>>
>>
>> Thanks to all of you (Andrew Pawley, Aya Katz, Chris Cléirigh, Larry
>> Gorbet, Martin Haspelmath, Dan Slobin, Östen Dahl, Tom Givon, Muriel
>> Norde, Eve Sweetser, and Suzanne Kemmer) for clarifying this
>> construction. De Groot shows clearly that the source of this particular
>> form is on/an rather than at. Reading this and related comments in
>> FunkNet letters reminded me of my sons favorite
>> phrases when I nag him about something. It is Dad, Im on it. I dont
>> know if this is a Pittsburgh (Appalachian) remnant of the king being out
>> on hunting or not, and I am not sure I would use the term
>> absentive for this, but I can definitely can see the conceptual link
>> between this use of the locative on and the progressive. It appears that
>> this link has worked for others across the last millennium or so and
>> continues to work even more productively in Dutch and German.
>>
>> In terms of how to treat this in tagger/parser technology, I think it
>> better to treat this as a preposition, rather than a prefix. Treating it
>> like a prefix would require transcribers to actually join it to the verb.
>> If, on the other hand, the tagger finds a rather unique subtype
>> of preposition before a present participle, it will surely know not to
>> treat it as an article. At least, the tagger will know this if we can put
>> a few such examples into its training set.
>>
>> Tom politely pointed out to me that I could have just checked the
>> OED. However, the library here in Kolding is very small, so I didnt
>> even try that. But, then it occurred to me that maybe the OED has gone
>> online. So, I checked and indeed it is now online at dictionary.oed.com.
>> My goodness, what a remarkably rich resource!
>> There are, in fact six listings for a- as prefix and two for a as
>> preposition. The one we have been discussing is a- prefix 2. There are
>> others coming from of and at, as well as lots of other related forms,
>> all sharing the common reduction to a. The online OED is particularly
>> nice because you can follow all the hot links directly. So, I was
>> a-thinking to myself, how could Oxford University Press make this freely
>> available in this way? Then, I read the little message down at the bottom
>> of the screen that said Subscriber: University of Southern Denmark and I
>> have to now take back what I said about the SDU Library. They, Oxford,
>> and my FunkNet colleagues have certainly been a great help to me in seeing
>> the scope of this remarkable form and its relatives.
>>
>> -- Brian MacWhinney
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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> and
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