[gothic-l] Goths, Trojans, and the Mddle east

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In a message dated Mon, 11 Dec 2000  7:55:15 AM Eastern Standard Time, "Anthony Appleyard" <MCLSSAA2 at fs2.mt.umist.ac.uk> writes:

<<  This merely proves that remote
names such as Troy were known of as exotica in mediaeval England. Compare
placenames such as Baldock on the A1 road in ?Nottinghamshire (< "Baghdad",
named by Crusaders); >>

interesting.  Can a pseudo-Germanic folk etymology be discerned for Baldock? If so those of us interested in Gothic composition may well have a name we can use for Baghdad!



<< > ... kin to the Herodians and thus the Macaabees ...

I thought that the Herodian line were Idumaeans = Edomites put on the throne
by Romans in usurpation of the Maccabean line. >>

This is true, but they were also related somehow... can someone help me on this? I'm always kinda foggy about this kind of thing.


<< , who some say are kin to the Merovingian Kings and King David.

After a few centuries of people's daughters marrying into other families,
likely quite a lot of the Jews of the time had a small bit of Davidic royal
blood in them. >>

And virtually all the royal houses of Europe claimed some sort of descent to the biblical bloodline... as well as to that of Greek mythology.


<<
> a theory that David's son, Adonijah (Adoni, Adonis) was the Trojan
> Aeneas ...

Coincidence. "Adoniyah" means "my lord is [the god] Jah": that was a common
type of Hebrew name. "Adonis" may be Semitic for "lord" and he may be a
Semitic god whose worship found its way across the Mediterranean to Greece.  >>

I wouldn't even say "may be"... there is nothing controvercial about this theory. Phoenician inscriptions even attest to a God by the name of Adon. And the Ugaritic Ba`al-cycle (as well as other Ugaritic et al. myths) is sufficiently close to the Greek account of Adonis that the connection is fairly certain.
     Now is the name Aeneas connected to the name Adoniyah? Not bloody likely. Not unless it came through numerous intermediaries at any rate. The Greeks may have had some degree of difficulty with forreign names, but dropping intervocalic [d]s doesn't seem to be one of them!


<< or the Klingons or the Greys might have had a hand in it? Come on, lets get
back to reality and to the Goths. >>

Well, I'm sure there's a Klingon word ghutlh out there somewhere, which would prove without a doubt that the Goths were from The Klingon Homeworld. Oh wait, doesn't qutlh mean forehead or something?


<< Such as: can anyone recommend a good Gothic
textbook and dictionary for English-speakers which are now in print?

This subject has actually been discussed a fair amount. Brouse http://www.egroups.com/messagesearch/gothic-l?query=textbook  for a start!

Iusteinus



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