[gothic-l] Re: The Langobards on Gotland -- and gothic proto-vikings..

[jrose at EFN.ORG]

I read there once was a waterway from between the Black Sea and the 
Netherlands that the Norse people traversed, they having to haul 
their boats overland some of the way, thus their low draft design. 
Consider all those small boats in the Bospherous you have been 
discussing. Could the Normans made their way to the Danland from the 
Black Sea - and vise versa? Robert Graves at the end of 'The White 
Goddess' identifies PALLAS as the chief deity of the Jews the 'Sea 
Peoples' he a Dolphin-god whose white fin is ritually consumed by 
the 'Anointed One' at the 'Last Supper'. The Merovingian Franks claim 
they are discended from Jesus directly, that is, he had children by 
Mary Magdalene who was a royal Benjamite, who are kin to the 
Arcadians. She fled to the South of France, her peoples later 
settling in the Ardanne. 

Thanks for the wonderful leads! You are proving some fascinating 
theories. 

Jon 

--- In gothic-l at egroups.com, sig <sigmund at a...> wrote:
> Hi Jon, 
> 
>  The Troy myth may have arisen out of the epic voyage of the
> Franks, who after being defeited by the emperor Probus in
> Gaul 278 C.E., were resettled as mercenaries on the Black
> Sea coast of Asia Minor rebelled there, seized a Roman fleet
> returned to their homelands.
> 
>  This can be read in Rick A. Reidlinger's recent
> installments on John Haywood's Dark Age Naval Power, A
> reassessement of Frankish and Anglo-Saxon seafaring
> activities by various Germanic tribes, covering approx. 200
> BCE to 800 CE. Rick sent these to this list on Nov. 28--go
> get it!
> 
>  Bertil Häggman has repeatedly told us that the Goths and
> the Heruls joined forces as pirates in the Black Sea in a
> way that made them qualify for the term proto-vikings. Now,
> some Heruls also joined in from Denmark with the Saxons and
> Franks (also those returning from the Black Sea) raiding the
> Channel area from 285 and were defeated by Maximian c. 287. 
>  In my view they were the true early Vikings but it also
> goes to show how rapidly boat-building and naval war
> techniques could have spread between the North Sea Germanics
> and The Black Sea Goths. There may perhaps be no need for or
> even possibility to decide which were what; it could well
> have been a both - and instead of either - or; a mutual
> learning with the Romans fleet as an intermediator.
> 
> Seigmund
> 
> 
> jrose at e... wrote:
> > King Henry the second claimed he was descended from Trojans, he 
kin
> > to the Merovingians. He built a Labyrinth, a 'Troy Town' for Fair
> > Rosamond.
> > Jon
> ..
> keth at o... wrote:
> ..
> > > famous are the Langobardic cemetries near Luechow-Dannenberg 
and along
> > > the southern banks of the Elbe river.
> > >  What is more, he adds the
> ..
> > > > information that the Baltic island they used to
> > > > live on was Gotland. That, I thought was an interesting
> > > > piece of information!
> ..
> > > Yes I agree. And it does not  contradict the archaeology which I
> > > reported earlier either provided that this migration group of 
early
> > > Langobards was quite small. In general, different sources have 
to be
> > > considered including archaeology, especially as we never know 
what
> > > people remembered about their origin after some 700 years have 
passed.
> > > As I said earlier, if we  would only rely on the tribal 
histories we
> > > would have to believe that the Franks came from Troy and that 
the
> > > Burgundians are decended from Romans. In all likelyhood we will
> ..
> > > Dirk
> 
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