[gothic-l] Re: The Scandinavian Origin of the Goths and Other Germanic Peoples

[Tore Gannholm]

Hi Dirk,
If you read the Golandic history many of your questions will be answered.
The old name of the island from where the Goths emigrated is Gutland and
the people is called gutar and the language is called gutniska. According
to professor Elias Wessén their language is almost identical to the Gothish
language.

http://gotland.luma.com



Tore

>Hi Anthony,
>
>very interesting points, but I am at a loss here. I would have thought
>that Jutland became separated from the Scandinavian peninsula around
>the same time as Britain became separated from the continent (some 10
>to 12000 years ago). But I really don't know for sure.
>
>Your last point is exptremely interesting, but again I don't know
>whether the Germanic languages of the Scandinavian peninsula picked up
> Finno-Ugric words. Prof. Elert (a Swedish linguist) mentioned
>somewhere that the Saami picked up Germanic words mainly in the realm
>of agriculture, but I have never heard of Finno-Ugric words in the
>German language. I don't think that Germanic tribes like the Vangioni,
> Ubier etc who lived in the Mainz-Cologne area (next to the Celts) for
> several centuries BC would have got their language from the
>Scandinavian  peninsula - but I may be wrong.
>
>Perhaps somebody else on the list has more insight?
>
>I would have thought that people like the Suevi Ariovist, or the
>Cherusci Arminius or the Markomani Marbod would have spoken a common
>Germanic language. Is there any information of whether their languages
> had developed separately. Or in short: Did Arminius and Marbod need a
>translator?
>
>Dirk
>
>
>
>
>--- In gothic-l at egroups.com, "Anthony Appleyard" <MCLSSAA2 at f...>
>wrote:
>>   Dirk wrote:
>> >  Denmark is strictly speaking not Scandinavia. There can be no
>doubt that
>> >  Jutland was settled by Germanic people much earlier, before they
>spread
>> >  out across the sea to the Danish islands and than Sweden. ...
>>
>> That depends on whether the Danish Straits were there at the time.
>As I wrote
>> a bit ago, after the Ice Age ended, there have been times when north
>Denmark
>> was a bit higher and the Danish islands were continuous land across
>and the
>> Baltic Sea was a big freshwater lake (called by geologists the
>Ancylus Lake)
>> that overflowed into a big river running along the dry bed of the
>Storebaelt.
>>
>>   keth at o... wrote:-
>> > What about the idea then, that a "new" language needs to arise in
>relative
>> > isolation? -- It needs a period of incubation. And what could be
>more ideal
>> > for such, than an island? Gotland for example   ;)
>>
>> My belief is that the Gautar in and near Scandinavia spoke Common
>Germanic,
>> and that the characteristic features of Wilfila's Gothic developed
>while the
>> Goths were migrating.
>>
>> There were likely Indo-European speakers in Germany at the time.
>But, as we
>> look further back in time, the characteristic identifying features
>of each
>> Indo-European language one by one disappear, and we get to a time
>whem we can
>> only talk of undifferentiated Indo-European.
>>
>> One thing might possibly solve this: Did Germanic speakers in
>Scandinavia pick
>> up any Finno-Ugrian words from the Lapps? If so, do any of those
>words also
>> occur in German? If so, the languages of Germany may have come from
>> Scandinavia. (How far south in Scandinavia did Lapps spread in the
>old days?)
>
>
>
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