[gothic-l] Name of the Semnones

[Tore Gannholm]

>>Tacitus does not use "Suiones" for the Swedes or Svear.
>>
>>That is a Swedish construction in the Middle ages.
>>
>By that do you mean that Medieval Swedes looked back on Tacitus,found his
>mention of the Suiones, and said, "That's us!"?  Or am I misinterpreting
>you?


Something like that. The Roman litterature was until the Middle ages very
much unknown. At that time the started reading these old writers and got
ideas. That must be us. Words like Skandinavien, Götaland, Svear do only
appear from that time. It is very propable that they took the Roman names
and applied them in their own environment.

In Beowulf "Svear" are called "Scildinga".

And the Gotlandic people are called "Geata leode" and "Wedera leod"

Procopius talks about Eruls that they settled on the side of the Gautoi.
They immigrated about 512 AD according to Procopius. The mix of the
immigrated ruling class of Eruls with their language and the earlier
population became later the "Svear".

According to Procopius the Eruls marched from Hungary over Germany to the
Danish isles, crossed over to Skåne, conquered Öland and settled in the
Lake Mälar region.

Tore


>
>>Tacitus talks about the people on the island in the Baltic. He uses
>> >Plinius who wrote about a Roman businessman who during the time of >Nero
>>visited the largest trading places along the Baltic Sea. In >Gotland there
>>are several important trading places from that time. >What later became the
>>country of Svear (see The Origin of Svear and >their arrival into Lake
>>Mälar Area in the 6th century ISBN 91-972306-8->5) was at that time partly
>>below water.
>
>That makes sense (to me, at least).  In _Rome and the Enemy_ (S. P. Mattern)
>the methods by which Roman authors like Tacitus may have gained their
>information are examined (kinda briefly for me, but . . .)and merchants are
>among the most important, next to military expeditions.
>
>>>On the Kylver stone from Stånga Gotland 4th century with the full >runic
>>>alphabeth is also the word "sueus"
>
>And that helps my original question.
>
>So "*simnan" might be a possibility, but with the strong ending, and a weak
>ending (like "Seues") may be "*simnos" or something similar?
>
>Thanks 'n' cheers
>Frank
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