[gothic-l] Ashkenaz

[Tore Gannholm]

>I'm a bit surprised, considering the depth of knowledge list members have on
>Crimea region, that no one seems to realize that King Bulan (a Khazar) chose
>Judaism in 8th Century or so, converting his people en masse to avoid having
>to ally himself with Rome, Byzantium or the Ottomans...  Of course, if I am
>walking in to an old thread where this has been mentioned, I certainly
>apologize.

It is common knowledge in Scandinavia.
You can read in my book "2000 Jahre Handel und Kultur im Ostseegebiet"

Chazarien und Bulgar
Interessanter sind vielleicht die regelmäßigen Reisen der Nordleute in die
Hauptstadt der Chazaren an der unteren Wolga und in die Stadt Bulgar im
Land der Wolgabulgaren im Gebiet der Mündung des Kama in denselben Fluß. An
beiden Orten war der muslimische Einfluß sehr stark. In Chazarien waren der
Khagan und der Adel zum Judentum übergetreten, aber es gab dort auch
Moslems. Der Emir der Wolgabulgaren war vor dem Jahr 922 zum Islam
übergetreten.
Dies waren die beiden wichtigsten Knotenpunkte für die arabischen
Handelswege. Die wichtigsten importierten Handelswaren auf diesen Märkten
waren Pelze, Sklaven und Waffen. Ibn Rustah und Ibn Haukal zufolge
lieferten die Rus die beiden erstgenannten nach Chazarien und Bulgar. Ibn
Rustah und Gurdesi geben an, daß sich die Nordleute weigerten, etwas
anderes als klingende Silbermünzen für ihre Waren anzunehmen.

Tore

>
>I would surmise, being a layman, that of course these crypto-ethnic-Jews are
>of Scythian stock, even if in some small part, thereby making them little
>different than the Europeans and Eurasians surrounding them today or in the
>past.
>
>Best,
>
>
>Rudy Carrera
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>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: sig <sigmund at algonet.se>
>To: <gothic-l at egroups.com>
>Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2000 6:27 AM
>Subject: Re: [gothic-l] Ashkenaz
>
>
>> Thanks Anthony,
>>
>> So Askenazim, the upper jewish layers in Israel of to-day, are in effect
>Scythians! I say. Do the Sefardim know that?
>> Did the nazis know it? Amusing dark irony, huh?
>>
>> Hey, this is extremely interesting. I've never seen it proposed before. In
>everyday practice ashkenazim are "east
>> European jews" (Polish, Ukranean descent mainly). How come? The jewish
>migration to eastern Europe occurred in
>> medieval times and are not descendents of the khazars, whos kingdom north
>of the Black Sea came to an end 1240 and
>> whos inhabitants of Judaism faith were never driven away. The East
>European jewry immigrated from west. Or so it
>> goes. However, while re-reading "A History of the Jews" by Salomon
>Greyzel, I find, indeed, that he specifically
>> mentions three important routes of jewish immigration up till the 14th
>century; one from western and southern Europe,
>> the second from the Danube basin (approx. Hungary) and finally a smaller
>contribution from former Khazar lands,
>> including the Crimea! Was it perchance this trickle that brought with them
>memories of former Scythian origins, thus
>> explaining {#-Sh-K-W-Z} = {Ashku:z} = the Scythians? Remember that
>Scythian presence on the (Khazar) territories had
>> lasted for a milennium or so before Goths, Huns, Turks, Khazars etc
>overran the Ukrainean steppes. Could the populace
>> have retained some Scythian identity, or at least kept on referring to
>their geographical origins with age-old
>> Scythian names??
>>
>> What do you think?
>>
>> Seigmund
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >   john gregory presco <jrose at efn.org> wrote (Re Scandinavia and Scania)
>>
>> > > ... My 'Smith's Bible Dictionary' has the Hebrew word Ashkenaz
>> > > "spreading fire" meaning Scand-ia, Scand-inavia. "Knobel considers
>that
>> > > the Ashkenaz is to be identified with the German race."
>>
>> > Anthony Appleyard wrote:
>>
>> > Erh???? {Ashkenaz} (written in Hebrew as {#-Sh-K-N-Z}) is an easy Hebrew
>miscopying for {#-Sh-K-W-Z} = {Ashku:z} =
>> > the Scythians
>>
>>
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