[gothic-l] Re: The Goths in Poland...

[Svein Nestor]

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I do not know whether this is of any relevance for the present
discussion, and I have no opinion of my own on this subject, but
the Lithuanian word gudas means a Byelorussian.

Svein Nestor

> Hails, Dirk
>
> I have heard about the Wielbark culture, which is attributed to an
> East Germanic people (if I remember correctly, some authors attribute
> it rather to the Vandals, but I'm not sure).
> The last supposition of that article seems to me a little dubious:
> how could the Goths who returned to North Poland become the Baltic
> tribe of the Prussians? The old Prussians spoke a Baltic language,
> related to Latvian and Lithuanian, but with distinct features, which
> are not due to a Gothic influence. Thus, the Prussians can not be
> regarded as balticized descendants of the Goths (in the best case, it
> could be assumed that the Goths who returned in North Poland were
> assimilated by the local Prussians).
>
> Francisc
>
>
> --- In gothic-l at egroups.com, dirk at s... wrote:
> > Did anybody read the article "The Goths in Poland - Where did they
> > come from and when did they leave" by Przemyslaw Urbanczyk in
> > European
> >  Journal of Archaelogy (Vol. 1, Issue 3, 1 Dec. 1998)?
> > I only read a short summary, but found the arguments quite
> > interesting
> > and would be interested to hear from anyone who knows the article,
> if
> > it is worth getting.
> >
> > The author's argumentation seem to be based on the Wielbark cultur
> as
> > a fairly stable group of people in modern North Poland. He regards
> > the
> > departure of the Goths to the Black Sea at the end of the 2nd
> century
> > as only one episode in the history of the Wielbark culture, where
> > probably an elite group that represented the 'Gothic identity'
> > decided
> > to leave the area, while most people actually stayed behind. Those
> > people who stayed behind developed a new elite, which later decided
> > to
> > follow the emigrants to the Black Sea. This second group became the
> > Gepids. The author cites archaelogical evidence to argue that parts
> > of
> > the Goths from the Black Sea later moved back to the Baltic Sea and
> > in
> > the 9th century 'became more and more Prussian' (i.e. forming the
> > Baltic tribe of the Prussen).
> >
> > I have never read this before. So if anybody knows more about this
> > kind of interpretation, I would be interested to hear about it.
> >
> > Dirk
>
>
>
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