[gothic-l] Re: Goths and Bavaria

[Francisc Czobor]

hI kETH,

--- In gothic-l at y..., keth at o... wrote:
> Hello Dirk!
> ...
Bajuwaren"
> who are supposed to have come from Bohemia. (any connection with
> the Boii?)  

The Boii were a Celtic tribe who gave the name "Bohemia" (from 
Boio-haemus). "Baju-wari" means in fact "dwellers of the Boii(-land)", 
because they lived in Bohemia before coming in Bavaria.

> However when I looked under "Bairisch" (writen with "i", whereas 
Bayern
> is written with "y" - any one know why?), the Brockhaus referred to
> "deutsche mundarten" and under that topos I found an interesting map
> of the Germanic dialects. And there I found something that surprised
> me; for it became clear that linguists refer to the language spoken 
in
> Tirol *also as bairisch ! ! !  Now why didn't that come up on the 
list
> as we discussed this before? I even specifically mentioned Süd 
Tirol,
> with Bozen and the Brenner. Now if all that is *also Bairisch 
(linguist-
> ically speaking), then that changes things quite a bit. No wonder I 
> found I could understand Bairisch when I visited there some years 
ago,
> after having spent many months in Tirol. 
> 
> You see, what I thought until now, was that Bairisch referred 
strictly to
> the dialect spoken within the present borders of the Teilstaat 
Bayern.
> But if the dialect spoken in Tirol (Innsbruck!) is also bairisch,
> then that changes things quite a bit from my point of view.
> 
> However, what the map *also says (o, erstaunen, erstaunen) is that
> Vienna is *also in the "bairischen mundarten" area. Now, that is
> beginning to sound a bit odd to me. For if there is something that
> is certain, then it is that the "Wienersprache" has a very distinct
> note to it, that distinguishes it from other Austrian dialects.
> And especially "bairisch". More likely is perhaps the attribution
> of Steiermärkisch to bairisch, but even that is a long distance
> from Tirol, and clearly distinguishable, even to my ear. (or maybe
> especially to my ear)
> 

In all the classifications of the German dialects that I have seen, 
one division of the "Oberdeutsch" part of Hochdeutsch is 
Bairisch(-Österreichisch), where are included not only the dialects of 
Bavaria, but also those of Austria and the Alto Adige (= South Tirol) 
province of northern Italy.

Francisc


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