[gothic-l] Re: The Eruli, Gothic Bibleverses and Runes

[faltin2001]

--- In gothic-l at y..., "Bertil Haggman" <mvk575b at t...> wrote:
> Tore,
> 
> Thank you for your recommendation of the link
> underneath. I will take a look.
> 
> Meanwhile I think it is important to compare
> the Roek Runestone's poetic parts, the Stentoften
> Runestone on Listerland and some Gothic passages
> to show similarities. Of course Goths and Eruli
> were culturally close.
> 
> Let me start with a translation of Stentoften:
> 
> The settlers,
> the newcomers
> gave Hathuwolf riches,
> showered Hariwolf with wealth
> 
> Nybyggarna,
> bykomlingarna
> gav Hathuwolf aering,
> oeveroeste Hariwolf med rikedom.




If I may just throw in a somewhat different reading of the Stentoften 
Stone:


Stentoften Stone (middle of the 7th century, Sweden) 
I 1: nihua borumR 

`new' (acc.), `son' (or `peasant') 

I 2: nihua gestumR 

'new' (acc.), `guest' (acc.)

I 3: haþuwolafR gaf j

`combat - wolf' (a name), gave Jeran' 

I 4: hariwolafR (m)aXXu s nu h(l)e 

`herd-wolf (a name), (m)aXXu s = ?; nu = `now'; hle = `treasure' 

I 5: hideR runono felaheka hed / / era ginoronoR

I 6: heramalasaR arageu weladud sa þat / / bariutiþ 

For I1-I4, Krause translates:

`The new peasant (?), the new guest gave a good year to Half, Herjolf 
now... a treasure.'


Thus, in this reading there is no clear indication that the text was 
refering to settlers, at best one new farmer, who -for reasons 
unknown to us - moved to the area in the middle of the 7th century. 
The stone was written by the same person who wrote the Bjöketorp 
stone in the second half of the 7th century, because I5-I6 are almost 
identical.

Dirk








> 
> The above runetext is the only poetic text
> in Sweden on a runestone beside the poetic lines
> on the Roek Runestone.
> 
> What I would then like to bring up are examples
> from Gothic bible manuscripts starting with
> Romans Chapter 12,1:
> 
> Saa foermanar jag nu eder, mina broeder,
> vid Guds barmhaertighet,
> att frambaera edra kroppar till ett levande,
> heligt och Gud vaelbehagligt offer.
> 
> Bidja nu izwis brothrjus
> thairh bleithein Guths
> usgiban leka izwara
> saud qiwana weihana
> waila galeikaidana Gutha
> 
> These are the same type of sense lines (sv. meningsrader)
> as we can experience on the Roek and Stentoften runestones.
> 
> Also Romans 12, 20
> 
> Om min ovaen aer hungrig,
> saa giv honom att aeta,
> om han aer toerstig,
> saa giv honom att dricka;
> ty om du saa goer,
> samlar du gloedande kol paa hans huvud.
> 
> Jabai gredo fijand theinana
> mat gif imma
> ith jabai thaursjai
> dragkei ina
> thata auk taujands
> haurja funins
> rikis
> ana haubith is.
> 
> If we compare to Stentoften there is a comparable
> type of sc. sense lines.
> 
> The technique in Theodorics kingdom in northern
> Italy can no doubt be compared to the art of the
> runemaster, who was responsible for the Stentoften
> inscription. 
> 
> Erulically-gothically
> 
> Bertil
> 
> 
> > I found this link on the web http://home9.swipnet.se/~w-
93783/index.html
> > 
> > This is a wellknown Norwegian linguist that says
> > In recent years, however, the enigma of the ancient Old Futhark
> > inscriptions has to a large extent been solved. It has been 
conclusively
> > proved that all of the most ancient Old Futhark inscriptions in 
the world
> > are written in Semitic language. It has also been proved that 
they are
> > intimately associated with Semitic fertility cult. Consequently 
this also
> > applies for the ancient Old Futhark inscriptions of Blekinge, 
southeast
> > Sweden.


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