[gothic-l] Re: Gothic Coins: Was Runic Influences

[dirk at SMRA.CO.UK]

--- In gothic-l at y..., Tore Gannholm <tore.gannholm at s...> wrote:
> Hello Dirk,
> It is fantastic with internet. Here we can share all your knowledge.
Of
> course there was no minting in Hungary. But as you suggest it was
payments
> made, in this case probably to the Heruls living in presentday
Hungary at
> that time.


Hello Tore,

actually I would prefere to see the coin finds in Scandinavia as the
result of trade. This is the most common explanation and it is what
the analysis by authors like Rigold and Grierson suggests.


When these people after the defeat about 505 moved to
> Scandinavia they brought these coins with them.


In fact all of the registered late Roman coin hoards in Scandinavia
 seem to include coins of Justinus I and even Jusininian I, who ruled
from 518AD onwards and could not have been among hoards brought to
these places by people who left the Hungarian area around 505AD. A
pre-505AD hoard would largely consist of coins of Leo I, and Zeno
perhaps the odd Basiliscus and  Marcian, and of course the earlier
types of Anastasius.

What evidence do you have these these coins were brought to
Scandinavia by Heruls?




Some of them we find
in the
> soil.
> What is your opion of the analyses made by Fagerlie? Up till now I
have
> understood this as a good book. Fagerlie, Joan M., Late Roman and
Byzantine
> solidi, 1967.


I have not read this book I am afraid, but Fagerie is well known
although there are more recent and more comprehensive studies on the
subject.


>
> No doubt Gotland had very close contacts with the Goths both when
they were
> in the Vistula area, when they moved to the Black Sea and when they
were in
> Italy.
> We can find this connection in the Museum.


This is possible, but not supported by coin hoard evidence as neither
Ostrogthic let alone Visigothic coins have been found on Gotland or
anywhere else in Northern Europe. I believe that neither the Ostogoths
nor the Visigoths had very strong trade links to northern Europe in
general. However, this does not mean that there was no other contact.
We know that the Ostrogoths in Italy had contact with Thuringian
Kings, but no Ostrogothic coins have been found in Thuringia
(Germany).

What is your evidence to suggest that Ostrogoths and Visigoths had
direct contact with Gotland? You hinted that there are artefacts in
Gotlandic museums that support this view. What are they? I understand
that it is almost impossible to attribute an artefact to the Ostogoths
, unless it has been found on attested Ostrogothic settlement areas
and diplays a certain East-Germanic style.



cheers
Dirk






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