[gothic-l] Gaut/Gapt

[Bertil Häggman]

Keth,

Must have missed that.

Answer to question two: No.

Gaut is of most interest because it is
connected to the Goths, Gauts and goetar.
That also happens to be of primary
interest on this list. Not so long ago Gaut
was more or less unknown on Gothic-L
Now, thanks a great deal to Ingemar, he is the
center of a detailed discussion. Bravo !

Check out 2nd ed. of Hoops and you will
learn more. Just gave an outline but it sounds
very convincing to me.

Hoops 2nd ed. does not mention Gapt in
connection with the Gepids. The article on the
Gepids in Hoops 2nd ed does mention various
alternatives to Gepidae:

Gipedae
Gipidae
Gifdas
Zibido
Zivido
Zebadasco
Zebedossi
Ghevio
Ghibio
gibede
*Gibidoz

"Was die heute zu benutzende Namensform angeht,
so waeren die nhd. Formen Gibider oder Gibiden
am korrektesten: der Ton liegt auf der ersten Silbe."

Is there still an argument for Gapt and the Gibiden?

Gothically

Bertil

> That is what I have been telling you for almost
> a week !  There are 12 manuscripts, and all have Gapt
> except one, which has Capit.

> What do you mean by "point to Gaut"?
> Do you mean that Gaut is the listed as the very first
> of all royal germanic genealogies?

> So, we do have a god as first ancestor, but it isn't
> "Gaut"  (and not "Gapt" either). But that is exactly the
> point I tried to communicate to you earlier, the phenomenon
> of  v a r i a t i o n : i.e. that you see all kinds of "royal
> germanic "genealogies, and that they quite often point back to
> some god or some hero or other. . .  but that the names differ!
>
> I also elaborated on the Vandal genealogy after Dirk mentioned
> Raus and Rapt. And I quoted Cassius Dio as the source for this
> story . . .  but there was no "Gaut". The Vandal genealogy
> begins with Ambri and Assi (not Gaut) - which is what Dirk said.

> >Old Greek au was early monophthongized (in German
> >monophthongiert). Especially in foreign words the writing au was not
> >practical. Instead before t "ap" was used - a rather questionable
> >escape as p in pt stands for approximately the same sound
> >as f. This mode of writing was copied in Latin texts and
> >could have been used in the chancellery of the Amals.



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