[gothic-l] Gaut, an additional view

[Tore Gannholm]

>Bertil wrote:
>
>1.
>>Gapt/Gaut is a common progenitor of a number of Royal families
>
>What makes you state "Gapt" and "Gaut" can be treated
>together, except for an old foot-note by Jacob Grimm?
>
>
>2.
>>and there is no reason to doubt that also the Langobards were connected to
>>this.
>
>Indeed no, because for the Langobards we have sources that explicitly
>state "Gausus" (or was it "Gausen"?)
>I have no difficulty with the equation "Gaut" = "Gaus".
>(they both belong to the similar verbs "gjota" = to pour, and
>"gjosa"= to stream forth. cf. ahd. gussa = überschwemmen.
>In Norway also "Gaussdal" = from river name, connected with
>the verb "gjósa" (gýs; gaus, gusum; gosinn); whereas "gjota"
>has the similar forms (gýt; gaut, gutum; gotinn). The two verbs
>are not the same, but are related. Which adds a realistic perspective,
>since variation is the rule, rather than the exception in such things.
>It underlineses the difference between the Langobards and the "Götar",
>and at the same times it illustrates the possibility of seeing
>a common idea underlying the two names. It is also interesting to
>see how frequently we end up with a river name as the bottom line.)
>
>But, you now also demonstrate how you've misunderstood my ar-
>-gument, Bertil. For, as I claimed, the Langobards coming from
>the Hamburg area - at a late date - which is in the vicinity of
>Denmark, ought to have, for this very reason, to wit, some com-
>-monality in terms of language as well as legend, with the Scan-
>-dinavians, as the sources indeed show that they have.
>
>It is however the case of the Goths that is much more doubtful.
>In fact the Goths resided at quite another place, namely in
>Poland, and their trek south began maybe 400 years before
>the Langobards, taking them to the Black Sea -- an altogether
>distant place compared with the reative short and simple
>trek from the Elbe to Northen Italy that the Langobards followed.
>And concerning the Goths, we do not even know if they connected
>with Scandinavia, and if they did, it is unclear what part
>of Scandinavia it was. It could very well have been Gotland.
>But it is not obvious that the Gotland of 300 B.C. had
>the same legends and myths as the Gotland that we know from the
>Gotland picture stones 800 years later.
>

Keith,
We must not forget that the Gothic culture pured back mainly to Gotland all
the time the Goths lived in the Vistula area and during all the trek down
to the Black sea. There must have been at least close cultural links
between the Goths and Gotland. How much were the Goths influenced by the
Marcomannen and La Théne culture. Gotland was very much influenced them. An
influence that is not found in Sweden.
Tore


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