[gothic-l] Goetar, Gautoi, Gutar, Goths and Gaut

[Bertil Häggman]

Anders,

Interesting, especially the part on Goetar 
being vikings in Goetaland. Could you explain
that a little and also provide some views on
the Gautoi in Procopius? Vikings?

Professor Thorsten Andersson desribed the
Goetar in Hoops 2nd edition as 

"die Bezichnung eines der Hauptstämme in Skandinavien, der
Zeit vorgeschichtlicher Zeit in Suedschweden angesiedelt war."

Vikings?

On Gaut/Gapt I would like to refer you to Professor
Reichert's comments in Hoops "nd ed. on 
Gaut. But maybe you don't have access
to encyclopedias in the Arctic.

Well, I am sorry you do not like Proto-IE and Proto-
Germanic, but there is not much I can do about that.
They are accepted tools by many in field of llinguistics.

Gothically

Bertil






> I really don't follow you here. Do you mean Götar (Gautar:-)) I 
> thought these were the Vikings in Götaland, until the end of the 
> eleventh century probably ruled by the Danes. 
> Gutar I assume is the people living on Gotland(formerly Gutland), 
> wich today have absolutely nothing more in common culturally with the 
> goths than other germanic-speakers( as the really good evidence on 
> this list suggest). How it was several hundred years before christ, I 
> can only guess upon. But don't do it, because I find no answers in 
> the sources and the reseach community on this.  
> 
> For all the different people who lived there.- yeah perhaps. But I 
> really don't think that anyone who touched the Baltic sea instantly 
> became a goth and then would remember it generation after generation.
> And why not state the same things about the Black Sea, Öresund, 
> Kattegatt, Skagerak, The Englich Channel, The Mediterranean etc?

> Thanks for the referense. Right now I'm in Riksgränsen but as soon as 
> I come to Gautburg I will look it up in the library.
> 
> But, I'm critical to all things I read. It doesnt have to be true 
> that the words Gaut goths and gutes are related and have something to 
> do with gjuta and men just because a professor writes it. 
> I really want to understand it myself and I dont want to "be told" 
> how to believe. 
> Your "Gapt/Gaut" rendering does seem to be totally incorrect and thus 
> desinformative for me. 
> I also really don't believe that Gaut could be = Gapt. To me they 
> seemk quite unlike.

> I'm VERY sceptcal to all ethymologies derived from words from proto-
> languages. May it be proto-indoeuropean or proto-germanic. I  really 
> don't like it, simply because they never existed, not in any way we 
> could figure out at least. 



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