[gothic-l] Gaut, an additional view

[Tore Gannholm]

>Hi Tore,
>Thanks for your clarifcation.
>Are the "sviar" the same as the "suiones"?

No, it is not the same thing. Tacitus writes about "suionum civitates".
As far as I know "sviar" is a 19th century translation which could mean
anything.


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>>Yes it is correct. Gotland was an independant republic. The Swedish
>>annectation of Gotland is as late as 1679 and no Swedish king visited
>>Gotland until 1854. This was such a big thing that a large stone had to be
>>erected over this occasion.
>> Sweden is not a nation but a state put together of various nations and a
>>construction  from later times.  The time we discuss Sweden did not exist.
>>>From the sixth century there is a Svea (sviar) power around the Lake Mälar.
>>(This is the sviar mentioned in the Guta saga and with whom the Gutar made
>>a trade and defence treaty at the middle of the sixth century. They are
>>also mentioned in Beowulf. The wars between svear and gutar. )
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>Did you see that there were 7 kinds of Danes mentioned in Beowulf?
>East- West- North- and South-Danes.
>And then there were also "Ring-Danes".
>These could have lived in the Viken area (Ringerike).

Yes, I have seen it. That is right. They were on the west side close to the
North Sea.

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>>In Västergötland there is a Gauta power. This is probably close related to
>>Östergötland over the Lake Vättern. The hilly forrests of Kolmården acted
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>Aha! I did the Vätternrunden some years ago!
>Where is Morttala and Vadstena located relative to the geography
>you describe?

Motala and Vadstena are on the east side of the Lake Vättern in
Östergötland close to where you find the 9th century "Rökstenen".
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>>as barrier between Lake Mälar area and Östergötland. At that time the
>>waterways were the crucial communication ways. North of Lake Vättern there
>>were the big forrests that acted as a barrier.
>>Bohuslän belonged to the Viken area with the Olsofjord as the center. The
>>links with Västergötland and the Oslo fjord area were probably very close.
>>I consider there were three power areas. Denmark-Skåne (The Leijre center)
>>. The Viken area with the Olso fjord and Bohuslän with Göta älv as
>>important water way and the Baltic with Gotland. When the Svear immigrated
>>in the beginning of the 6th century there was an alliance formed between
>>the Svear and the Gutnish people, a trade and defence alliance.
>>Tore
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>Yes I read that! Do you have the entire Gutasaga on-line?
 http://gotland.luma.com/guta.html
>Is it available in book-form somewhere?
>I only have pieces of it.
If you send me your address I will send you a copy. I have published Guta
lagh togther with Guta saga with Swedish translation.
Tore



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>Best regards
>Keth
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