Fwd: Re: [gothic-l] Re: To Dirk and Tore and keth

[Cory B Strohmier]

Hi Keth,
	I found your comments on this one intriguing, but probably just as
puzzling as Dirk did.  While Old Gutnish and Gothic are clearly related
as Germanic tongues, they do not seem to me to be as close as Bavarian is
to German and Gothic.  (In fact, if you subtract out some later
borrowings and the effects of the Second German Sound Shift from
Bavarian, you will find that Bavarian is very close indeed to Gothic
(especially in pronouns which are rarely borrowed, and in a number of
other common words.)
	Perhaps the problem here is a lack of familiarity with Icelandic and Old
Gutnish.  (I can find my way through the Gothic texts, but I have a hard
time with the Icelandic and Old Gutnish, even when I have both right in
front of me, and I carefully compare them.)  You may need to explain more
fully the connections here, if you wish those of us who are less familiar
with Icelandic and Old Gutnish to be able to follow you.
	I think that the possible connection between Old Gutnish and Gothic is a
fascinating subject, and I agree that it merits further investigation
(but I would add that Bavarian also shares connections with Gothic, and
these connections merit further investigation too).
Cory

On Fri, 20 Jul 2001 19:31:56 -0000 cstrohmier at yahoo.com writes:
> --- In gothic-l at y..., keth at o... wrote:
> Hi Dirk,
> You were just to compare the two texts below,
> that is all.
>
> >> I saw this by Keth:
>
> >> GOTLAND text:
> >> Gutland hitti fyrsti maðr þann sum þjelvar hit. Þá var
> >> Gutland sá elvist at þet dagum sank ok nátum var uppi.
> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >> ICELAND text:
> >> Gotland hitti [=fann] fyrstr maðr sá sem þjalfarr hét. Þá var
> >> Gotland són ?elvist at þat dOgum sOkk ok nóttum var uppi.
> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >> (the first text is Gutlandish from 1350, the second is the same
> >> text translated to Icelandic)
>
>
> >
> >I am confused now. Yesterday Keth wrote that I should take the time
>
> to
> >investigate some text exerpts that he had posted earlier, saying
> that
> >they would prove that Gutnish is even closer to Gothic than German
> is
> >to Bavarian?????? Keth, can you clarify this please?
> >
>
> You are hard to figure out, Why don't you just look at the texts?
> I wrote at length about it, and this is only the first sentence
> that Professor Arne Torp has translated to Icelandic.
> So the first text is Old Gunish and the second is the same Old
> Gutnish
> text translated to Icelandic. What's the problem?
>
> Cheers
> Keth
> --- End forwarded message ---
>
>

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