[gothic-l] Re: New member! Carl-Johan

[Troels Brandt]

Hi Carl-Johan

Welcome to the Gothic-list. I am sure many members of this list will 
discuss your ideas with you.

However I am afraid we will be unpopular discussing eagerly the 
example you mentioned, as this crowdy list is dedicated to Gothic 
language, history and religion - including related Eastgermanic 
tribes. I am sure the discussions of your ideas will be off topic 
most of the time as the Gauts were not involved in your description.

For the same reason a new list was started last year covering all 
Germanic tribes, and most of the members at Gothic-list interested in 
your problems are also members there. The listname at Yahoo is 
Germanic-L.

When you show up there I have some comments regarding your theories. 
Living at Sealand I will follow the traditions of the lists and 
support all claims making Sealand the heartland of Scandinavia and 
the origin of all Scandinavians, but you must be prepared to defend 
your claims both from a historical and archaeological point of view.

Best regards
Troels



--- In gothic-l at y..., Carl-Johan Swärdenheim <swaerdenheim at y...> 
wrote:
> Hi everybody!
> 
> I am a new member. A student of law etc. at the
> Stockholm University, and thus not qualified to
> discuss these Gothic topics on an academic level. But
> I might have some interesting and creative ideas to
> share every now and then.
> 
> For instance:
> 
> 1. The immigration of the Sweons to Scandinavia.
> 
> The Sweons (Svear, Sviar) I look upon as a tribe or
> confederation of related tribes, that invaded, or
> peacefully moved, to the eastern Scandinavian
> Peninsula (The Mälardalen Region) between 200 BC - 400
> AD.
> 
> Their name "Swi Thiuda" or "Swithiodh" is difficult to
> interpret. The root "Swi" is likely to be a formation
> similar to "sui" (latin) and "swa" (sanskrit). It
> should thus be related to words as "schwester"
> (german) and "svåger" (swedish) denoting a sense of
> ownership, such as "Swithiodh" = "Our own tribe", "The
> tribe related with us" or something like that.
> 
> It is interesting to note, that the three heartland
> provinces of Sweden, namely the shires of Uppland,
> Södermanland and Västmanland, simply means "the upper
> (inland) people", "the southern people" and "the
> western people". They could thus be understood as
> three tribes, or tribal communities within a larger
> confederation, or territorial divisions of a larger
> tribal group.
> 
> It is also interesting to note that their shires were
> divided into hundreds (hundaren), which most likely is
> a very simple territorial gathering of 120 farms
> (gårdar, gårdskomplex med uthus).
> 
> In the southern and western parts of Scandinavia the
> local divison was wapentake (härad) instead.
> 
> If we look at the Anglo-Saxon invasion of England, it
> is interesting to note the similarities; i.e. the
> shires divided into larger confederal tribal groups:
> East Saxon = Essex, West Saxon = Wessex, South Saxon =
> Sussex, North Angles = Norfolk, South Angles = Suffolk
> etc.
> 
> Is it not plausible to suggest that the Sweons and
> their heartland was a parallell to the Anglo-Saxons?
> Is it not likely that the Sweons, just as the
> Anglo-Saxons, originally was a "foreign" group in
> their new lands, a group which eventually came do
> dominate and amalgamate with the "older" inhabitants.
> Thus, just as "Britannia" became "England", maybe
> "Scandinavia" became "Sweden"???
> 
> (This is of cause contrary to popular and contemporary
> Swedish understanding of history. Maybe we have
> forgotten this old tale, simply because it happened so
> long ago?)
> 
> The Anglo-Saxons, however, also divided their lands
> into hundreds, which seem quite logical to do for a
> successful conqueror. (Just as William of Normandy in
> the Domesday Book mapped up England in order to get
> the proper taxes.)
> 
> Where did the Sweons come from then? I would vote for
> Själland or Fyn in Denmark. The reason for this is
> similarities in cult practice, as the Sweons were
> worshippers of the Vanir, which seems to have been a
> cult with parallells in the Själland region.
> 
> 
> Most likely I am kicking in open doors here, but I
> still would like you to discuss this topic with me, or
> at least, give me information on where to look further
> in this matter.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> 
> Carl-Johan Swärdenheim
> 
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