[gothic-l] Re: Snorri on Reidgotaland

[Tore Gannholm]

>Hi Keth
>
>--- In gothic-l at y..., keth at o... wrote:
>>
>> >What does Maringa/Maeringer mean?
>>
>> Wasn't that the name of a district ?
>> (or maybe "famous man"?)
>
>Which district? Maehren?
>Or was he a viking? (Mare)
>
>>
>> >What does Hraid/Reid mean?
>
>> I recall two possible meanings that were much discussed in our
>> previous discussion. One was "rede" (nest), the other was "ride"
>> (to ride). If I then look at the etymology as well as the
>> words corresponding to these two basic meanings in the different
>> Germanic languages, I believe I find that only the first meaning
>> (rede/nest) derives from a stem that originally had an initial
>> "h". That means that we can then eliminate all meanings that
>> have something to do with "riding", like in horse-riding, and that
>> is certainly progress.
>> ----
>> I wish to maintain as important hypothesis, that the "Hreidgoths" is
>> what the Scandinavians called the continental Goths - the ones who
>> had followed the Vistula down towards the Black Sea.
>>
>> Best regards
>> Keth
>
>
>I am not able to evaluate your hypotheses from a linguistic point of
>view, but if we follow your conclusions the Hreidgoths (Nest Goths)
>should be the Goths in their continental nest - being then the
>Vistula-region. This makes sense as a counterpart to the Goths of
>Eygotaland (Island Goths) at the Hreidmare islands - being the
>Scandinavian Peninsula, Gotland, Sealand etc. in the sea between
>the "islands" and the nest. Remember that the Scandinavian Peninsula
>as late as 553 by Procopius was called an island.


Just a comment. Procopius called the Scandinavian peninsula "Thule".

Tore






The "Hraidkutum"s
>at the Roek-stone from 800 indicates that these names were so old,
>that we should expect the continental Goths to believe the Goths in
>Scandinavia to live on islands - except for the Jutes if they were
>Goths/Gauts. This might indicate that Gaut had his nest in the
>Vistula-region.
>
>It will also make sense if some remaining Hreidgoths migrated from
>the Vistula-region to the "islands" and attacked people there, when
>the Slavs penetrated Poland 400-600. If they migrated to Jutland this
>will explain why Snorre once called Jutland Reidgotaland.
>
>Ingemar will kill me if I do not mention the alternative conclusion,
>that the nest of Gaut might be Goetaland at the Scandinavian
>Peninsula - also making sense either being a part of the continent or
>a mainland in shape of a very big island as a counterpart to the
>islands in the sea around the nest - Hreidmare.
>
>In both cases your interpretation of "Hreid" as "Nest" makes sense,
>but are there also similarities to Gothic or other languages?
>
>Troels
>
>
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