[gothic-l] Re: Danparstadir - Reidgotaland

[trbrandt at POST9.TELE.DK]

Bertil, Keth, Anders and other contributors

Thank you for a lot of good information and ideas.

Bertil must be right that the Scandinavians at a certain time 
combined Hreidgoths with locations in Eastgermanic legends - possibly 
being transferred to Scandinavia by people who were a part of these 
events. I am not quite sure from Bertil's examples if these were all 
located in Ukraine or in Central Europe - or they were moved from 
Ukraine to Central Europe by a people like the Ostrogoths, the 
Alanes, the Gepides, the Heruls (who even continued to Scandinavia) 
and other people.

We can't say if the Hreidgoths and the legends were originally a part 
of real events, or they were later combined in Scandinavia. The man 
who made the Roek-stone probably knew who they were, but I am not 
sure that Snorri and the other later writers knew that.  

I believe they lived somewhere at the Continent. However we still 
have to find a satisfying connection to Hreidmare and Eygoths. It is 
difficult to explain both these names if the Hreidgoths lived in 
Ukraine - and it is too easy to claim that there was no connection.

Below Bertil mentioned the name Danp from Rigsthula as an eponym to 
Don. Dan and Danp were mentioned as better vikings than Rig and his 
son Kon. Did Dan and the Danes come from the river Don too? 

Bertil! We have now discussed Ases and Hreidgoths at river Don. Has 
this anything to do with the theory of Thor Heyerdahl, which you have 
defended? Is he looking at the right period? 

Best regards
Troels




--- In gothic-l at y..., Bertil Häggman <mvk575b at t...> wrote:
> Troels,
> 
> Have now arrived at the last of the for literary-historical-
> geographical names.
> 
> Danparstadir = "homesteads on the Don" is one of the four
> names that show possibly that Reidhgotaland denoted
> Ukraine, especially of course the land
> of the Poljane in the ninth century, between the Donec
> and the Dniepr.
> 
> The name Danpr (=Danpar) as an eponym occurs with
> Danr in Rigsthula:
> 
> "Have Danr and Danpr
> a dwelling richer,
> and lands larger,
> than are left to thee;
> and they skilled in steering
> on stormy seas,
> in trying swords,
> and slaying heroes."
> 
> Instead of "a stodum Danpar" there is also
> the combined placename Danparstadir/
> Dampstadhir.
> 
> Also from Hervararsaga concerning 
> Reidhgotaland:
> 
> "Arheimar, some [people] call it
> Ernar district; in those days the
> capital of Reidhgotaland was located
> there."
> 
> Gothically
> 
> Bertil


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