[gothic-l] Re: Gepids

[czobor at CANTACUZINO.RO]

Hello, Dirk

I'm not a linguist too, it's just a hobby.
The replacement of Germanic 'b' with 'p' is a consequence of the
second (High-German) consonant shift, and it was most widespread in
the Bavarian dialect of High-German (here we can find such forms like
peigira "Bavarian", pruodar "brother", part "beard" etc.) In the other
High German dialects, we find d>t, but not b>p (and thus we have in
Standard German Bayer, Bruder, Bart, etc.). Langobardian has also
participated in the second consonant shift, therefore also in this
language occurs the shift b>p.
But there is no trace of such a shift in East-Germanic languages, such
as Gothic or Gepidic. (It is true that in the Crimean Gothic words of
Busbecq's list we can find words with consonants shifted as in High
German, like 'plut' "blood", but here it could be an influence in some
way of High German. But even if we admit such a consonant shift in
16th century's Crimean Gothic, there is no evidence thereof in Gothic
or Gepidic in the first half of the first millenium).

Francisc

--- In gothic-l at y..., dirk at s... wrote:
> ...
> Hello Francisc,
>
> I am not a linguist, but I noticed that in particular Langobards and
> Bavarians have often replaced 'b' with 'p'. Thus, it is Langobardic
> and Bavarian 'Luitprant' instead of Luitbrand and Aripert instead of
> Aribert (Haribert). Also, one of the Langobardic origo legends
states
> that they came from the Elbe near Patersprunna (modern Paderborn).
An
> early 9th c. Bavarian text is called something like 'Wessoprunna
> Prayer' instead of 'Wessobrun'.
>
> This feature is still very much noticeable in modern Bavarian. As
> Langobards and Bavarians were closely related this is not
> surprising, but could this also have let to a change in the name of
> the Gepids from perhaps originally Gebids. The author Heinrich
Sevin,
> argues that it is only sources influenced by the Goths that call
them
> Gebids, while other sources prefer Gebids.
>
> cheers
> Dirk


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