[gothic-l] Re: EE Jews descend from Goths(To Francisc)

[dirk at SMRA.CO.UK]

Hi Francisc,

the fact that you were writing about upper German dialects totally 
escaped my attention. I thought you meant modern High German. So you 
are probably right. 

cheers
Dirk

PS did you see my posting no. 3748? From your knowledge of 
linguistics, do my observations make sense?








--- In gothic-l at y..., czobor at c... wrote:
> Hi Dirk,
> 
> Of course that there is a clear difference between ü and i in 
German.
> But I was writing not about standard German, but about High German 
> dialects. While Low German dialects keep clearly the distinctions 
ü-i 
> and ö-e, in many High German dialects ü becomes i and ö becomes e 
> (like in Yiddish!). If I remember correctly, this is the case of 
such 
> dialects like Mittelfränkisch and Rheinfränkisch, and maybe also in 
> Bavarian and Austrian. Of course, an educated Franconian or Bavarian 
> or Austrian will pronounce correctly the ü and the ö when he speaks 
> the literary language, but maybe at home he'll pronounce "Tür" like 
> "Tier" (or maybe "Tyr", where "y" is something between ü and i).
> In conclusion, regarding the Umlaut, Yiddish is rather similar to 
High 
> German dialects than to Gothic (where no trace of Umlaut can be 
> found).
> 
> Francisc
> 
> 
> --- In gothic-l at y..., dirk at s... wrote:
> >...
> > Hi Francisc,
> > 
> > Tuer and Tier can be rhymed, because their are not so many words 
> with 
> > umlaut 'ue', and such a rhyme would probably affect the 
> > pronounciation in that case somewhat, but otherwise there is a 
> > distinct difference in the pronounciation of these words. Thus, if 
> > these words were pronounced separately, there is a clear and 
strong 
> > difference (at least to the German ear). A problem only arises in 
> the 
> > differentiation between 'y' and 'ue' not 'i' or even 'ie'.
> > 
> > cheers
> > Dirk


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