[gothic-l] Re: Polish king invited German Jews

[l_labkovsky at HOTMAIL.COM]

--- In gothic-l at y..., Nikolai <gothologist at y...> wrote:
> > Message: 12
> >    Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 20:58:44 -0000
> >    From: l_labkovsky at h...
> > Subject: Re: EE Jews descend from Goths
> > 
> > --- In gothic-l at y..., Tim O'Neill <scatha at b...> wrote:
> > > l_labkovsky at h... wrote:
> <<<SNIP>>>
> > > Evidence for any of this?  Documentary sources supporting 
> > > these ideas for example?
> > > And what proof do you have that German Jews ever came to
> > Eastern 
> > Europe? Even though the Polish king invited German Jews to
> > Poland no 
> > one ever saw these Jews actually arrive.
> > > 
> > > So there we have a series of assertions and no evidence
> > > supporting any of them.  I'd be interested to see your
> > > evidence for these claims.
> 
> Not sure where exactly this fits in as I have missed most of the
> debate, but take it for what its worth.
> And I quote,
>    "Through the spring and summer 1349, the violence escalated.
> In some towns, the massacres took place as the Black Death
> raged; in others, the mere news of the plague's approach was
> enough to set off pogroms. In spring 1349 the large Jewish
> community at Frankfurt-am-Main was destroyed, followed by the
> annihilation of those in Mainz and Cologne. Mainz had more then
> 3000 Jews, probably the largest and wealthiest of all the
> northern European jewish communities. They had a long and proud
> tradition. When attacked, the Jews rallied and fought back; in
> the first battle, over 200 christians were killed. But the
> following day, drawing on nearby environs for reinforcements,
> the christians stormed the ghetto again and overwhelmed the
> defenders. All the jews were killed.
>    Similar pogroms took place in Brussels, Solothurn, Zofingen,
> Stuttgart, Landsberg, Burren, Memmingen, Lindau, Freiburg, Ulm,
> Gotha, Eisenach, Dresden, Worms, Baden, Erfurt, and Speyer. At
> Speyer, Jewish bodies were loaded into wine casks and floated
> down the Rhine. By the end of 1349, most of the violence had
> waned in the Rhineland, where the Black Death was beginning to
> wind down, but it picked up anew in the Hansa towns of the
> Baltic Coast and in much of Eastern Europe, where the effects of
> the plague were just beginning to be felt. The overall impact of
> what can only be called a holocaust was calamitous. By 1351, 60
> major and 150 smaller Jewish communities had been extirpated,
> and over 350 separate massacres had taken place. The effect, an
> important legacy of the Black Death, was to encourage the
> eastward movement of the remaining northern European Jewry to
> Poland and Russia, where they remained for close to 600 years.
>    One of the reasons that surviving Jews moved east was the
> protection offered by King Casimir of Poland. It is difficult to
> discern why Casimir was so enthusiastic in his welcome of the
> Jews and so vigorous in his protection. He had a Jewish mistress
> and seemed well-disposed in general to Jews. Perhaps too he was
> anxious to have commercial skills which some of the immigrants
> could offer, or was just a firm believer in justice."
> The author, Gottfried, correctly points out the extermination of 
German Jews in the Middle Ages but then he draws an unfounded 
conclusion that the remaining German Jews moved to Poland. First of 
all, the author doesn't know how many Jews  survived, if any. Second 
of all, there are no eyewitnesses who saw the arrival of German Jews 
in Poland. Even East European Jews themselves have no recollection of 
their life in Germany, like folkloric tales and such. Hungarians, for 
example, have lots of folklor regarding their arrival in Hungary, but 
Jews have none. How come? May be because Jews never arrived in 
Eastern Europe in the first place? Huh?
> Gottfried, Robert S. "The Black Death: Natural and Human
> Disaster in Medieval Europe" 
> New York; The Free Press, div. of MacMillan Publishing Co., Inc.
> 1983, p74.
> 
> 
> 
> 
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