[gothic-l] Re: More on the Gothic-Slavic link

[Francisc Czobor]

--- In gothic-l at y..., "Sigmund" <sigmund at a...> wrote:
> Thank you so very much, Francisc,
> 
> Glad you took your time. Your answer was highly elucidating and gave 
me
> a prompt answer to my questions, and much of it was welcome news to 
me.
> 
> You probably know that modern days' Slovenian claim to be 
descendants of 
> non-Pripjat slavs, having migrated to this area north-east of Italy 
long before
> the "ordinary" great slavic migrations and living alongside with 
celtic tribes? 
> I don't know what evidence they have for it and it is of course less 
than 
> tangential here in this forum, but I came to think of it when you 
referred to 
> "(probably Illyrian) tribe of the Veneti (the name is also connected 
with the 
> name of the region Venetia, now Venezia in NE Italy".
> 
> 
> Sclavus tue,
> 
> Sigmund
> PS Glad you disregarded my anachronistic treatment of Jordanes. More 
on
> that in my reply to Andreas Schwarcz. DS
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Francics wrote =>
> 
> "Hello, Sigmund,
> 
> I'm not a professional in such matters, so I will tell you what I 
have 
> read and seems to be accepted by many.
> 
> Wends/Venethi: in the early antiquity, the eastern neighbors of the 
> Germanic peoples were represented by the old Indo-European (probably 
> Illyrian) tribe of the Veneti (the name is also connected with the 
> name of the region Venetia, now Venezia in NE Italy, and the name of 
> the city of Venice). When the Veneti were later replaced/assimilated 
> by the Slavs, the old Germans transferred the name Venethi/Venedi to 
> them. Initially, it was a generic term for the Slavs (Iordanes: 
> Venethi, OHG: winid-, MHG: winde). Later the term was confined to 
the 
> direct Slavic neighbors of the Germans: the Lusacian Sorabs, called 
in 
> German "Wenden". The term was borrowed also by non-Germanic 
languages 
> and denominates Slavic neighbors:
> Finnish: Venäjä "Russia", venäläis "Russian"
> Hungarian: vend "Slovenian of Hungary"
> 
> Vandal: several ethymologies proposed, discussed also on this list. 
> None looks to me convincing.
> 
> Vinnili: don't know.
> It seems that the terms "Vandali" and "Vinnili" are not connected to 
> "Veneti", nor to each other.
> 
> Regarding Sclavinia/Slavonia, they are derived from the own 
> degnitation of the old Slavs: Slovene. One possible etymology is 
that 
> quoted in my previous mail (slovo "word"), but there are also other 
> hypotheses. From the time when the Avars dominated the Slavs and 
used 
> them as slaves, dates also the Latin term sclavus "slave".
> Why an old Germanic territory is named "Sclavinia", I can not 
imagine, 
> only speculations...
> 
> I hope that someone more informed than me could help you better.
> 
> Francisc"


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