SV: [gothic-l] Digest Number 426

[Sigmund]

Dear Francisc,

You seem to wonder how I had picked up that little crumble about
the Slovenian claim to descense from some early non-Pripjat slavs?
So do I! I guess it was while searching of Croatia for remnants of an
elusive Danube fortress, named Teutoburgium*, allegedly from the time
of the incusrsion of the Cimbri-Teutoni-Ambrini and possibly Harudi
around 120 to 113 bc. As we know they beat the Romans at Noricum
on the south side of the Austrian alps 113. The tribes holding that territory
at that particular time were celtic (worshiping a female deity with great
resemblance to Nerthus by the way). Close by to the south, in to-days
Slovenia and in most of the interim within the power sferes of Austria
and Hungary, was found the hoard of helmets called the Negauer Helms
with that lemnic-like inscription <harigastiteivaalIII> meaning probably
that the owner was Harigast under Teiu in the third cavalry regiment,
according to Italian epigraphists, well, approximately, because I have 
nothing left from my search. My hard disc broke down at this point, 
post or propter (no it was through a jolt by Thor, a <Tordön>).
While attempting to reconstruct the region's history at those times I 
came across this source in some local Slovenian newspaper discussing
this claim of two researchers who wrote some book to the intent
that not only was the Slovenian people slavs to-day, but that they 
were descendants of some early slavic population, entering there
centuries before the great slvaic migrations into the former Yugoslavian l
ands.
Judging from the response from established historians they have been 
met with considerable doubts about their seriousness and as I can 
remember it they had very little, if anything, new to present source-wise
but rather built their case on re-interpretation of well known stuff.
If you are interested in exploring this further I might help you to find
the sources.

Regards,

Sigmund
*PS Yes I found it on a 19th c. map!



Frncisc wrote:
> it seems that my message was lost in the previous reply, so I post it 
> again.
> I didn't know about this claim of the Slovenians, but I can not take 
> it seriously.
> The Veneti of the modern Veneto/Venezia region were not Slavs and 
< became relatively early romanized. There were no Slavs in the area 
< before the "ordinary" great slavic migration.
>
> Francisc


--- In gothic-l at y..., "Sigmund" <sigmund at a...> wrote:
> Thank you so very much, Francisc,
> 
> Glad you took your time. Your answer was highly elucidating and gave 
me
> a prompt answer to my questions, and much of it was welcome news to 
me.
> 
> You probably know that modern days' Slovenian claim to be 
descendants of 
> non-Pripjat slavs, having migrated to this area north-east of Italy 
long before
> the "ordinary" great slavic migrations and living alongside with 
celtic tribes? 
> I don't know what evidence they have for it and it is of course less 
than 
> tangential here in this forum, but I came to think of it when you 
referred to 
> "(probably Illyrian) tribe of the Veneti (the name is also connected 
with the 
> name of the region Venetia, now Venezia in NE Italy".
> 
> 
> Sclavus tue,
> 
> Sigmund
> PS Glad you disregarded my anachronistic treatment of Jordanes. More 
on
> that in my reply to Andreas Schwarcz. DS
> 






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