[gothic-l] Re: The Lament of Gudrun and the sayings of Hamdir in the Poetic Edda

[Håkan]

--- In gothic-l at y..., kaoru666 at h... wrote:

Hails Alberto!
I remember there were such thoughts as you described about half
a year ago or more. There were some voices that supported that parts 
of the islendic Edda had a frankish, bavarian and even visigothic 
origin. Some of the old norse sagas about Sigurd(Sigfried)Fafnirsbani 
and Regin the dwarf is still sung today on the misty Faroese islands. 
I have recorded some extracts of a record and some gothic verses from 
St John Chapter 6. I am thinking about to put it on the net soon. I 
could send you one if you want to. Otherwise you have to wait for my 
homepage to be available on the net. For the pronounciation I got 
some help from the discussion that was going on two to three years 
ago and Matthaius site about the language.


Greetings from



Håkan Liljeberg
> Hails.
> As you know the Guðrúnarhvöt and the Hamðismal, the final chants in 
> the Elder Edda belongs to an epic cicle of gothic origin. The 
Lament 
> of Gudrun or Guðrúnarhvöt does not seem to apport anything new, as 
it 
> is simply a reelaboration of the fragment of the Getica concerning 
> king Hermanaricus' vengeance on Sunilda, dismembered by  four wild 
> horses. But the sayings of Hámdir still can relate that King 
> Jormunrekk ordered dead to Svánhild, smashing her under the legs of 
> gothic horses. Now the dead of Svánhild, this time daughter of 
Sigurd 
> and Gudrun, has passed to explain itself by a personal motivation -
> Jormunrekk's Jealousy- and not, of course by a politic reason, as 
we 
> can still see Jordanes' chronicle. And there are many other 
> discrepancies.   
> There are hypothesis that there were gothic written versions (as 
most 
> of the content on the Eddas were preserved by oral tradition) and 
> also Frankish and Burgundian (Sígurd history) of those chants, but 
I 
> don't know how probable is that possibility, of course not 
> impossible. 
>  Please tell me your opinion on Hamðismal and the hypothesis of the 
> written documents. 
> 
> Thanks for taking the time, 
> Alberto


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