[gothic-l] byzantium

[Sahin Ahmet]

 I also wonder what happened to the gots who served as paid soldiers to the byzantium empire. They are known to have settled in the thracia region west of constantinopolis capital of the empire. There are some settlement names which are apparently not turkish nor gereek. Like Luleburgaz, kemerburgaz. burgaz sounds like coming from burg(city) but I am not very sure. I was very surprised when I saw the mosaics in the mosaic museum in istanbul depicting the byzantium soldiers which were non greek in facial appearance. That was confirming the assertion that the byzantium empire used some gothic tribes as paid soldiers.
  Sigmund <sigmund at algonet.se> wrote: Thank you Francisc,

The nucleus of slavic expansion is believed to be the Pripjat River area in northern Ukraine on the border of Poland (to-day a short canal joins it with the Wistula) and hence close to the territories held by the Goths prior to their migration towards the Black Sea. North of them were a closely related group of East Germanics, the Vandals, of whom Jordanes  wrote around 1070: "Slavinia, the most extensive of all the provinces of Germania, is inhabited by the Winils, or the Vandals as they used to be known.". They were established on the South Baltic shores, west of Prussia. I have come to believe that these are identical with the Wendes, who long gave name to the Baltic Sea (at least its eastern parts) as the Vendic Sea, Mare Wendicum (Sinus Wendicus for the Finnish Gulf). But 'die Wandalen' were germanics, not slavs. Did intruding Vandals push out slavic groups but kept their territorial names, or maybe mixed with them but managed to dominate so that their Germanic language prevailed? Why was this *germanic territory called *Sclavinia up till medieval times??! Was it first slavic, then Vandalic, then slavic again??
In another post earlier this week on GermanicsL there was mentioned an account of a conflict between Winnils and Vandals. It is rather confusing. Many of us look forward to the upcoming Vandal exhibition 2002 as a joint Polish-German project.

Francisc, do you have anything comments on the plethora of related or associated names like Sclavinia/Slavonia/Vandals/Wends/Venethi/Vinniles etc?

Sigmund


"Francisc Czobor" wrote
> Hello, Nenad
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> The Old Germanic peoples called the Slavs generally as "Venethi" or
> "Venedi" (latinized forms; cf. OHG winid-), and it seems that this
> term was used also by the Goths (see Jordanes: Getica V)
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> >         Did Goths and Slavs mix?
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> I think that they mixed.
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> Francisc
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