SV: [gothic-l] Digest Number 398

[Francisc Czobor]

Hi Sigmund,

--- In gothic-l at y..., "Sigmund" <sigmund at a...> wrote:
> ...
> One new contact in Germany is a certain Kerstin A. (dare not write
her full name due to the recent PUL law), who has put upp a nice site
on, inter alia, the Vandals (beautiful summary of their history). How
gotisch where they? They came from the same region, moved almost in
parallell and were believed to speak very closely related East
Germanic dialects and -- this is something I really would love to have
confirmed -- while in North Africa the Vandals were by some believed
to have used the Wulffian bible (both being arians, converted and
taught by same group of Byzantine missionaries etc).

Indeed, the Vandalic language seems to have been very closely related
to Gothic. The North-African Vandals were Arian and used the Bible of
Wulfila. The few North-African Vandalic texts show a great similarity
to Gothic, e.g. froja armes "domine miserere" (in Wulfilan Gothic:
frauja armeis).

> As we know the remaining Codex Argenteus was robbed from Prague
after a military conquest by the Swedes. Prague -- isn't that
Silingian territory (the Silingi being one of the two major Vandalic
tribes, the other one being the Hasdingi) or at least on the fringe of
Silesia, believed to be the Urheimat of the Silingi? Could there be in
the common historical awareness in Prague something that made it
particularly compelling to own it?

The Codex Argenteus was probably copied in Ostrogothic Italy (5-6
century) and was only temporarily kept in Prague (see:
http://w3.ub.uu.se/arv/codexeng.cfm and "Wulfila Project" website)

> I sometimes find Vandalian issues to fall between Germanic and
Gothic. What is the general sentiment among Gothic specialists here?
Should they be reckoned with the Goths?

My opinion was that the Vandals could be regarded as a "Gothic people"
in a larger sense, thus being (with some indulgence) subject of the
Gothic-L, but not everybody agreed. But I think that at least from the
linguistic point of view, the Vandalic language can be discussed on a
Gothic language list.

Francisc


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