[gothic-l] Re: Tracing the Eruli

[george knysh]

--- "Troels Brandt <trbrandt at post9.tele.dk>"
<trbrandt at post9.tele.dk> wrote:
>
> In your reasoning you assume that I still believe
> the Heruls lived at
> Tanais - and it may look so. However I have left
> that generally
> accepted theory listening to you and others with
> better knowledge
> about that region than we are used to. Mentioning
> the border areas
> above my assumption was the Lower Dnepr (ON Danp)
> region, and I also
> assume that they were fundamentally a "Germanic"
> people joined by
> some Alans. This should survive Ockham's razor and
> this people would
> be difficult to separate by archaeology from the
> other Estgermanic
> and Sarmath/Alanic people following the Huns to
> Central Europe.

*****GK: We know that the Chernyakhiv culture was
polyethnic, and that under Hunnic pressure practically
all Goths, Eruli, other "Germanics", Late Scythians,
and Alans outmigrated in the period 375-450 (esp. in
430-450. The "mixture" at the points of arrival in the
West could have been different from that at the point
of departure from the East, so that it is not
necessary to assume that the Alanic component of the
Eruli existed from the very beginning. On the other
hand it is also impossible to prove that it did not.
We simply don't know with any certainty where the
Eruli were located in the time of Ermanaric. *****

>(Troels) this Jordanes story [GK about the expulsion
of the Eruli by the Dani]is a part of the
> chapter generally
> regarded as written by Cassiodorus. The Scandinavian
> king Roduulf at
> the court of Theodoric might be the source for this
> information and
> the event may have taken place before the Heruls of
> Procopius
> arrived.

******GK: I stand to be corrected on this. I was
working from memory and thought that Andreas Schwarcz
in one of his postings (either here or on the Germanic
list) had cited authorities claiming that the Erulian
expulsion story had been added by Jordanes to the
Cassiodorus text.******



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