[gothic-l] Eruli in the West

[andreas.schwarcz at UNIVIE.AC.AT]

On 11 Feb 2002, at 19:15, Bertil Haggman wrote:

> Not very new stuff. A century old you say. Well,
> there is nothing new in the Eruli being in Italy.
> This is just rehashing. There is no unity of
> opinion as you are trying to indicate.

Bertil,
 either you cannot read English or you did not understand what I 
wrote yesterday. The story of the units of the palatine auxiliaries of 
the Eruli, from 364 onwards divided in the Eruli seniores and 
iuniores, began in Gaul, where the Western Eruli were settled near 
the mouth of the Rhine by Maximian. The story of these units, 
which I lined out, is testified by Ammianus Marcellinus, Zosimus 
and a lot of epigraphic sources from the fourth century. If there is 
no unity of opinion about that, this dissens is outside the scientific 
community and uttered by stubborn cranks, not by historians.

 There are the
> two letters of Theoderich of which one is for a
> western Erulic king. The request for support
> of the peace efforts of Theoderic (directed at the
> king of the Varni and the king of the Thuringians)
> among the Franks and the Visigoths is also
> of interest. As usual there are many different
> views by many different researchers.

These two letters in the Variae are one to  unnamed kings of the 
Warni, Thuringi and Eruli, the other to king Rodulf of the Central 
European Eruli. As there is not hte slightest geograpical indication 
in the first letter Variae IV 3 except the names of the peoples, it 
could as well be to the central european Eruli, who were 
neighbours of the Thuringi. That is the only point of discussion 
between serious researchers.
 
> 
> On the Eruli origins there is no doubt that the
> Scandinavian origin is a current thesis in
> lingustics and history in Sweden. Except for
> Ellegaard  (1987) there has been no challenge
> to this view.
> 
> Concerning Denmark the picture is similar. (see
> _Danmarks Historie_ and Christiansen's history).
> Most writers agree that the Eruli were driven out
> by the Danes around 250 AD for the area north
> of the Black Sea.


Well, take a look on the discussion on that recently in the 
Germanic list (oh, I forgot you were kicked out of that for your style 
of discussion) and at the relevant articles about Dänemark and 
Dänen in the Lexikon des Mittelalters, and Hoops RGA by 
Wessén, Lla Lund-Hanssen, Beck and others. You will find that 
your dating is not shared by any serious historian nowadays. 
> 
Regards
                  Andreas Schwarcz
Ao.Univ.Prof.Dr.Andreas Schwarcz
Institut für österreichische Geschichtsforschung
Universität Wien
Dr.Karl Lueger-Ring 1
A-1010 Wien
Österreich
Tel.0043/1/42-77/272-16
Fax 0043/142-77/92-72


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