[gothic-l] Pre-Viking Raids and Verland

[george knysh]

--- Bertil Haggman <mvk575b at tninet.se> wrote:
> "The Suetidi are of this stock and excel the rest
> in stature. However, the Dani, who trace their
> origin
> to the same stock, drove from their homes the
> Eruli, who lay claim to preeminence among all
> the nations of Scandza for their tallness."
>
> Well, is there any doubt about the Scandinavian
> origin of the Eruli in the view of J.?(Jordanes 23).

*****GK: Yes of course there is. Jordanes wrote in
Latin, not in English. What you have given us here is
not necessarily the view of Jordanes but that of
Mierow. Here is the text of Jordanes:

"Suetidi, cogniti in hac gente reliquis corpore
eminentiores: quamvis et Dani, ex ipsorum stirpe
progressi, Herulos propriis sedibus expulerunt, qui
inter omnes Scandiae nationes nomen sibi ob nimia
proceritate affectant praecipuum."==== As Andreas
pointed out to us, the "qui" may refer to either the
Danes or to the Eruli. In the former case, it would be
the Danes who would be claiming priority among all the
nations of Scandia for their tallness. Which would
obviously make the Danes a Scandian nation. If this
interpretation is correct, the status of the Eruli
would remain obscure. We don't need Jordanes to accept
the fact that the Eruli became a nation of Scandia:
Procopius is good enough for that. If "propriis
sedibus" refers to the territory where the Eruli
settled after 512, and from which they were ejected by
the Danes, then their continuing Scandian status
becomes problematic (we don't know WHERE they wound up
after being ejected). My point is that on the basis of
the ambiguous declaration of Jordanes we are not
entitled to affirm categorically that the Eruli were a
Scandinavian nation before 512, or that they remained
one after their expulsion. It is entirely possible
that they were. But we can't prove it on the basis of
Jordanes.******

> What "archeological evidence"? I for one would be
> interested in some of these sources in English,
> Russian,
> Ukrainian or German.

*****GK: Go ahead and do your homework then. You can
start with the work of the late D.B. Shelov (Selov).
Here are a couple of links:
http://www.dainst.de/en/pro/tanais.html

Look at the "literatur" and go on to the other pages
of the Deutsches Archaeologisches Institut

The University of Warsaw is also involved in arch.
digs in the area. Here is a link:
http://www.republika.pl/tanais2000/bibliof.htm

The bibliography is multilingual.


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