[gothic-l] Re: Sparloesa rune stone

[einarbirg]

--- In gothic-l at y..., Ingemar Nordgren <ingemar.nordgren at e...> wrote:


Hae Ingemar.**********

Thanks for your info. Very interesting. If the motives on the stone
can be connected to the Goths and southern countries, then forget
about the dating of the stone to the 9th century. It is wrong.
If the motives can be connected to the Goths in the 6th century, then
the inscription/pictures were done in the 6th century. Any other
dating is just wishful thinking.

Most likely this inscription is connected to the Heruli. Next likely
possibility is that the inscription is from the first half of the 6th
century and is connected to the Goths. That is a trader? and artist.

Maybe the inscription is connected to the Longobards in Italy? or
some other East Germanic dynasty in the south. That is a member from
such a dynasty?

Well,my guess: Connected to the Heruli. We just know for sure about
the Heruli in Scand. in the 6th century. So we have to assume that it
was the Heruli. It is a better explanation than assuming a "Gothic"
tourist making inscriptions on stones in Thule.

Bless,bless Einar******************


> Dear Dirk and Tore!
>
> I would suggest another angle of approach to this stone if you are
able
> to skip the sail connection.
>
> The ship has the typical shape that reminds of e.g. the Thera
frescoes
> in Greece and it also has connections with the 'horned' steles of
> Asturia and the Gotlandic picturestones. Both the horns and the
ships
> symbolize, both according to myself and established religion
historians
> like Franz Cumont, in fact the moon, the mother- and moon goddess.
This
> symbol is in Arian christian time identified with the virgin Mary.
The
> ship has a cross-sail stressing this meaning and it is   most
probable
> not a nordic ship at all but a symbol, maybe also indicating the
artist
>   have travelled by sea. On the rail from which the sail hangs are
two
> birds shoving the  characteristics of rude pea-cocks - the imperial
> peacocks being imitated by the Goths. I have seen such Gothic
sculptures
> in Spain and Portugal. A cathedral with twin towers you do not find
in
> Scandinavia at that time, nor the game-animal. The riders cap has
by
> swedish authorities been compared with a phrygian cap several times
and
> however rude I do not need much imagination to see that. The fact
that
> he rides , that was extremely unusual in Sweden during the
Migration and
>   Early Viking Age, stresses that this is no Nordic milieu. The
artist
> has seen these things in location and tried to reshape them. If he
was a
> Goth or if he had just visited them in Italy and like a tourist
would
> tell the people  at home of his journey is unclear. It points
however
> clearly towards an Arianic faith and a definite Gothic connection.
About
> the dating it is hard to say for sure and it needs a quite better
expert
> examination. The Roek-stone is dated to the same time and it speaks
> about Theoderik as the  Reidgotha king. On the Sparloesa stone
however
> we have the pictures that tie the motive to the Goths of the 6th
> century. I fancy you have the URL. Otherwise I could send a picture
by mail.
>
> Kindly
> Ingemar


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