[gothic-l] Visigothic King Fridigern

[Oskar Andersson]

Hi,

Fritigern and Alavivus became the leaders of a large group of Tervingi Goths after they had
abandoned the rule of Athanaric. They arrived at the Danube (which is the exacy place?) sometime
in 376 (anyone knows exactly when?) to seek refuge from the Hunnic conquest and find new lands under
new leadership, but so did also a group of Greuthungi Goths lead by Alatheus and Saphrax (after Ermenaric's
death). These were mainly the two groups that crossed the limes and later conquered Italy and sacked Rome,
and made their way into Gaul and Spain; the two main groups later identified as Visigoths.

My question was first and foremost about which sources mentioned Ostrogoths, Burgundians and Vandals as
participating in the conquest of Radagaisus in 405/6 - not about who led the groups across Danube in 376 (obviously there
were two groups but only the Tervingi was first admitted entrance) but rather if we can identify Visigoths/Ostrogoths as early as 410.

Kindly enough both Andreas Schwarz and Dirk cleared the mist! And it is pretty anachronistic, as Schwarz noted,
and I tried to figure out, to talk about Ostrogoths as early as 405. They did not crystallise too long before Theoderic
entered Italy in 488/99.

Best,
Oskar






> Oskar,
>
> The first Visigothic king was Athanarich, who ruled
> probably from 366 AD to January 25, 381 AD. There
> seems to be a question wether Fridigern the ruled
> until Alarich took over. If I remember correctly
> it was King Fridigern whol led the Visgoth at the
> crossing of Danube (376 AD ?).
>
> Gothically
>
> Bertil
>
> > See inside notes too, but my MAIN question is whether we actually are able to
> > identify Visigoths/Ostrogoths prior to Alaric's conquest of Rome 410 and later migration
> > into Gaul and Theodoric's conquest of Italy 488/99?
> > My point is that you refer to Ostrogoths as participating in Alaric's conquest - over 80 years
> > prior to them entering Italy, and that yields the above question of identification and if we are actually able
> > to discern Ostrogoths that early in history?
> > According to Heather the ethnogenesis of Ostrogoths comes later, just some years prior to Theodoric's
> > invasion.



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