[gothic-l] Visigothic King Fridigern

[Tore Gannholm]

>Hi,
>
>Fritigern and Alavivus became the leaders of a large group of 
>Tervingi Goths after they had
>abandoned the rule of Athanaric. They arrived at the Danube (which 
>is the exacy place?) sometime
>in 376 (anyone knows exactly when?) to seek refuge from the Hunnic 
>conquest and find new lands under
>new leadership, but so did also a group of Greuthungi Goths lead by 
>Alatheus and Saphrax (after Ermenaric's
>death). These were mainly the two groups that crossed the limes and 
>later conquered Italy and sacked Rome,
>and made their way into Gaul and Spain; the two main groups later 
>identified as Visigoths.
>
>My question was first and foremost about which sources mentioned 
>Ostrogoths, Burgundians and Vandals as
>participating in the conquest of Radagaisus in 405/6 - not about who 
>led the groups across Danube in 376 (obviously there
>were two groups but only the Tervingi was first admitted entrance) 
>but rather if we can identify Visigoths/Ostrogoths as early as 410.
>
>Kindly enough both Andreas Schwarz and Dirk cleared the mist! And it 
>is pretty anachronistic, as Schwarz noted,
>and I tried to figure out, to talk about Ostrogoths as early as 405. 
>They did not crystallise too long before Theoderic
>entered Italy in 488/99.
>
>Best,
>Oskar
>
>

Oskar,
We have a problem with old authors that are still read, lika Olaus 
Magni and followers like Birger Nerman.
They established that there were Westgoths coming from Västergötland 
and Eastgoths coming from Östergötland. As the immigration should 
have taken place before CE the names must be old. This is of course 
pure nonsense.

I fully agree with your analyzis that the words visi and ostro came very late.

Unfortunately this debate will come up time after time as new scolars 
will read Birger Nerman and those whow still today without 
afterthought just copies those phantasies.

Best Tore
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