[gothic-l] Ethnogenesis-Two peoples??

[andreas.schwarcz at UNIVIE.AC.AT]

Dear all,
anyone who talks of one Gothic ethnogenesis, and moreover, of its 
analysis by  research into DNA, has not understood what the 
concept of ethnogenesis developed by Wenskus (and enlarged and 
deepened by Wolfram and Pohl) means. Ethnogenesis is a political 
process forming new peoples out of remnants of older peoples, 
giving them a definite historic beginning (and sometimes also a 
historic end to other peoples). It is possible to talk of an 
ethnogenesis of the Gutones or Gothones, of the Tervingi, of the 
Greuthungi, the Ostrogoths, the Visigoths, the Crimean Goths and 
the Gauts, possibly also about an initial cultic community of 
different tribes and peoples (like Ingemar Nordgren does),  but not 
of a single gothic ethnogenesis continuing for a millenium. The idea 
of a biological continuity behind that proposed single ethnogenesis 
is one obsolete in historical research. And it does not get better if 
some old and remote books not recognized by the international 
community of historians and archeologists are put against the 
mainstream of professional research in the field. But Dirk and 
Oskar have already said everything that is necessary in this 
respect. There is no end to any kind of scientific debate and 
development. But to get further on the road, one has to start from 
the actual state of the art and accept that and not to go back to old 
and obsolete or abstruse theories.
Kind regards
                    Andreas Schwarcz  

Ao.Univ.Prof.Dr.Andreas Schwarcz
Institut für österreichische Geschichtsforschung
Universität Wien
Dr.Karl Lueger-Ring 1
A-1010 Wien
Österreich
Tel.0043/1/42-77/272-16
Fax 0043/142-77/92-72


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