[gothic-l] Re: The Nineteenth Gothic-Roman War 467-470 AD

[faltin2001]

--- In gothic-l at y..., "Bertil Haggman" <mvk575b at t...> wrote:
> Having arrived at the last Gothic Roman War before the
> fall of the west Roman empire I would like to thank those
> who contributed factually to widen the perspective. The
> purpose of my modest series has been to illustrate how
> the final kingdoms of the Goths in Italy and Spain were
> preceded by military interaction between Goths and Romans.
>
> This last war could be a strategy of the Ostrogoths, the Visigoths
> and the Vandals to finally put an end to a west Roman empire
> that was ripe to fallanyway  and actually in reality had been taken
> over long before via mercenaries and Gothic plus other Germanic
> commanders in Roman service. The Gothic kingdoms in Italy
> and Spain could be said to provide the nucleus of what would
> eventually be a united Europe in the 20th and 21st centuries.


You are kidding, aren't you? How on earth could the short-lived
Ostrogothic kingdom in Italy be the nucleus for a united Europe of
the 21st century? Note the Ostrogoths survived in Italy only as long
as they realised how precarious their situation was, and as long as
the Rome-friendly faction was keeping the upper-hand. In other words
the Ostrogothic kingdom was in decline as soon as Theoderic died in
526AD.

Secondly, the Visigothic kingdom in Spain is sometimes credited for
manifesting Spanish unity. But to see is as nucleus for a united
Europe is going far to wide. At any rate, the only barbaric state
that is somtimes seen as forerunner of a united Europe is the
Merowingian kingdom of the Franks. However, this eventually broke up
along an older Germanic-Romanic deviding line.





> The Visigothic King Eurich, that conquered the throne by murdering
> his brother King Theoderich II in 466 AD continued the fight for
Gaul
> an completed the conquest with acquiring all land between Loire,
> Rhone, the Mediterranean and the Pyrenees and started the conquest
> of Spain. It resulted in the Suebi under King Remismund being forced
> to accept Visigothic rule. A small area in northen Gaul around
Soissons
> remained under Roman rule for a short time under governor Syagrius.



Depicting these events as Germano-Roman dychotomy is wrong from the
outset.


Dirk





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