[gothic-l] Re: Goths, Eruli in the East

[einarbirg]

--- In gothic-l at y..., "faltin2001" <dirk at s...> wrote:
> --- In gothic-l at y..., "einarbirg" <einarbirg at y...> wrote:
> >
> 
> 
> To prove anything beyond doubt is often impossible in these 
matters. 
> There is also no proof that Procopius was accurate in this passage 
> either. In many instances Procopius's shortcoming as a writer are 
> obvious, in this case there are only indications. Textual analysis 
> reveals that Procopius' writing about the Heruls was not balanced 
and 
> matter of fact, but influenced by a strong dislike coupled with 

> ethnographic stereo-types. 

Einar******

  Hæ Dirk.  Maybe Procopius just pretended to dislike the Heruli. He 
was expected to dislike them. He seems to admire them as well. 
Procopius seems to have had some *special* relationship with the 
Heruli. I wonder if A. Cameron has mentioned such things!!
> 
> 
>> Also, can I ask you where exactly Procopius said this group of 
Heruls 
> migrated to? Yes, he speaks about 'ultima Thule' and 'the end of 
the 
> world'. This place is usually identified with a number of 
localities 
> ranging from Iceland over the Orkneys, Shetlands to Norway. But 
then 
> he locates them in an area which would point to East Scandinavia. 


        Einar; Dirk, you know better than this. Procopius was not 
talking about Iceland or Shetland. His description is pretty 
accurate. They go through the land of the Dani,go over the sea and 
settle next to the Gauti. Oll very clear.

Dirk, what would you say if Irish legends did describe a migration to 
Iceland in the settlement period but according to historians and 
archaeologist remains of Celtic activity is not to be found? Which 
they still claim(wrongly)                                          
You would probably say that these legends were a invention. They were 
not true.

But then linguists have another story to tell and genetic scientists 
say that maybe 40-45% of Ice. genetic material is from the Celts. 
Whom to belief??                                                      
Historians and archaeologist that do not want for nationalistic and 
other reasons to find any remains from these Celts or the others?     

Another question. If in theory a strong connection between Icelandic 
skeletal material from the settlement period(DNA reaserch) and 
skeletal material from supposed to be Heruli burials from the 
migration period would be established.
If that would would happen one day then would you still deny the 
possibility that part of the Heruli descentands migrated to Iceland??

And I am here assuming that in Scandinavian skeletal material a 
connection would not have been established??
You see it is a problem if the Heruli in Scandinavia had the custom 
of burning the dead. Then there would be no material to compare.      
Luckily because of might be Christian influences from the British 
Isles this custom of burning the dead was not established in Iceland.

Bless,bless Einar.


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