[gothic-l] Re: Goths, Eruli in the East

[Tore Gannholm]

>Hi Tore,
>
>
>*snip*
>
>>  Oskar,
>>
>>  The reason you don't find any Swedish historians dealing with this
>>  matter is that there are no Swedish historians interested in the time
>>  before about1000 CE.
>
>I have since long searched for a good book on the history of Lake Mälaren
>and its vincinities, but to no avail. The books discussing what 
>little is known has
>made NO references to migrations of Heruls.
>
>>  The historians say it belongs to the archaeologists, but
>>  archaeologists are not supposed to deal with history. That is not
>>  their subject. Of course we had guys like Birger Nerman but he had
>>  problem combining the known facts with his history.
>>
>>  So if it is not the Heruls that make these big changes in the 6th
>>  century in the Lake Mälar Area, which other people do you know of
>>  that might have immigrated?
>>  This is virgin area.
>
>I am not sure that we have to have immigration to make this change in culture.
>If there indeed was a Herul migration to Lake Mälaren region, how come they
>influenced it so much? Did people accept their authority or were they so many
>in numbers that they could have gained control over the region?
>Personally I just find it very hard to accept this theory of Herul immigration
>because I don't find the evidence conclusive enough. Maybe in the 
>future more books
>will present more evidence and connections and we will reevaluate 
>the issue, but
>until then I find it hard to accept it.
>Perhaps you will write a more detailed book on this issue, Tore?
>
>
>>  Tore
>>  --
>
>Best,
>Oskar
>


Oskar,
This is a difficult question what decides if a immigrating culture 
takes upper hand or assimilates.

It is very difficult for a society to change without outside influences.
The easiest way is an immigrating group. We have it all the time.

We can see that the Gotlanders were the stronger why all immigrants 
adapted to Gotlandic language and probably culture.

If we accept the Herulis it means the a ruling class entered the 
scene and put its mark on society.

There is book I was very impressed by that deals with this matter 
changing societies and which I would recommend.

Jared  Diamond  "Guns, Germs and Steel"


Tore






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